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EMM Labs CDSA still breaking in…

Still breaking in. WordPress lost my first post on this. So let’s try again, although somewhat worse for wear … ๐Ÿ™‚

We have a somewhat interesting setup here – but right out of the box, the CDSA sounded pretty good, albeit in a constipated and compressed sort of way.

That is the CDSA on the bottom shelf. It is running, using the Shunyata (P)ython Helix Vx power cord into the never-before-used-as-far-as-we-can-remember analog inputs on the DCC2, connected to each other with an Audio Note SPX interconnect.

[After losing my post a second time, it has become obvious that the word p-y-t-h-o-n causes WordPress fits, as it is also the name of a computer language that WP must be screening out. Stupid BDS.].

All this is run into the Audio Note Ongaku integrated amplifier, bypassing the DCC2 built-in preamp. The wonderful sound of this amp is probably helping a bit with the breakin blues… ๐Ÿ™‚

If I were to describe the sound at this point, it would be that the sound of the CDSA, in this un-optimized setup, is slightly more dynamic and controlled, and a little less smooth, than its bigger brother, although at this point the decay is too aggressive. Still with the purity and truth of the Meitner company-sound. And once again, although the sound of the CDSA appears in this Silly Setup ™ to have quite a bit of detail – any comparision with the competition would leave egg on their components from the perspective of anyone who values Real over Impressive Deluges of Detail.

The CDSA appears to be definitively NOT inferior to the DCC2 SE and CDSD SE combo – and can be thought of as more like the combo minus the built-in Switchman-quality preamp and analog and digital inputs. In a single-box.At half the price.

The new Jorma Design digital cable

We got one of the new Jorma Design digital cables in for a few minutes before it went out on audition.

I got to take some photos and Neli got a chance to listen for a few minutes.


A nice looking cable.

Does anyone else like how interconnects, especially digital cables, are nice and thin and easy to work with?

Compared to power cords I mean.

But… for how long? How long until they are as thick as a brick? And weigh about as much?.

I took this photo mroe than 4 times… and this was the BEST. Not a banner photography day.

Neli describes the sound as very much like the Jorma No. 1 cable – nicely detailed, nearly as much as the Valhalla, but with a little more color in the midrange.

EMM Labs CDSA Photos

Well, here we are.

We actually got the player two days ago, but since Mike & Neli BOTH wanted to be at the unveiling, and we being quite busy lately, it took us until this afternoon to unwrap the player and connect it into the system….

First impressions, at the 5 minute mark, are quite favorable.


Same nice badge as its bigger brothers CDSD SE and DCC2 SE


Front panel comes covered with a blue plastic protector….


We took the protector off. Its easier to push the buttons and open the tray that way….


There is a new remote, with larger buttons. The buttons are seriously back-lit (no photo, oops) and larger than the previous remote, which is ncie for those of us who find it hard to read 6 pt font text.


The rear of the remote. Nice heft, good feel in the hands…


The rear panel of the CDSA.


A larger photo of the rear panel of the CDSA. Much less going on than the DCC2 – no preamp, no connectors to communicate with the CDSD transport….


The push buttons are now metal instead of plastic, and are firmer, and have a shorter ‘throw’ to them.

Comparing and Contrasting Digital at Audio Federation

In this post, we will not talk about sonic characteristcs, per se, but just the differences in functionality of the higher-end players we currently have available.

Just by itself, the difference in what these players do, and their basic approach to sound, is enough to differentiate them – enough to help many people choose which one they are most likely interested in.

*** Audio Note U.K. DAC / Transport combinations. $[varies]

Tube. If you want a musical, very customizable sound (through tube-rolling), do not need another preamp, do not want to run your PC or video system into the DAC. , and have space for a two component player.

*** Audio Aero Capitole Reference CD player with linestage: $9,580.00.

Tube. If you want a very musical yet unveiled sound, need a good linestage, and do not care about SACD.

*** EMM Labs CDSA CD / SACD player $9,995.00

Solid-state. If you want a very pure yet musical sound, want SACD, do not need another preamp, do not want to run your PC or video system into the DAC, and/or only have rack space for one component.

*** Audio Aero Prestige CD /SACD player with linestage: $12,990.00.

Tube. If you want a very musical, detailed and solid sound, want SACD, need a good linestage, need a front loading CD player and/or only have rack space for one component.

*** EMM Labs CDSD SE and DCC2 SE: $21,900.00

Solid-state. If you want a very pure yet musical sound, want SACD, need a good line-stage, and/or want to run your PC or video system into the DAC, and have space for a two component player.

*** Audio Note U.K. CDT3 and DAC 4.1x Balanced: $22,600.00

Tube. If you want lots of detail with each note rendered in an analog-like fashion, do not need a preamp, and have space for a two component player.

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A FEW THINGS

First, these really are some of the, if not THE, best digital today.

Second, the built-in preamp are really quite good. Not spectacular, but really, REALLY good for the price paid.

Third, given your current system, and where you want to take it, you probably have a good idea about going for a tube versus a solid-state solution. The solid-state here is very, very good, very un-solid-state-like, but it will not ‘add musicality’, but neither will it take away musicality [unlike most other solid-state digital]. . It just ‘is’.

Fourth, given a budget, it may be best to allocate a larger portion of the overall budget to a player with a built-in pre, rather than get both a lesser CD player and a separate pre. Not only from a potential shelf space (and extra power cord and cable!) issue, but because it will be find to find a preamp that does what THESE built-in preamps do for anywhere near the money.

Audio Note is coming out with several single-box players, so this will make some choices harder. But for people on a budget, who have a system that they want to keep most of, who know whether or not they like their current preamp, have a preference for a specific-sound, who have limited rack space, the choosing process is really going to be very similar to the list above.

EMM Labs CDSA single-box CD / SACD player

We should be getting our own EMM Labs CDSA player in here in a few days.

Can’t wait! ๐Ÿ™‚

It has a lot of the same technology that its bigger brother, the CDSD Signature Edition (SE) transport and DCC2 Signature Edition (SE) DAC pair, have but in a single chassis.

Sonically they are supposed to be very, very close. We’ll see, but it makes sense. There are advantages and disadvantages, again sonically, to having everything in the same box.

At around $10K, this is a great deal. Doesn’t have the built-in preamplifier or support for the myriad of inputs that the big DCC2 has, so it is not for everybody. We, for example, love the built-in pre of the DCC2, and use it most of the time – just not when we are running into the Audio Note Ongaku integrated amp or M10 linestage ๐Ÿ™‚ . Or the Lamm L2 linestage for that matter.

We, of course, will have photos when we get it here, and reports about how it sounds during break-in. It looks just like you would think it would look (as seen in our RMAF show report last fall)… like the CDSD but with buttons on the front panel like the DCC2.

As far as we can see, this player puts to shame all solid-state competitors anywhere near this price range. Maybe, MAYBE you can get more sound by going with the $40K+ DCS or Esoteric digital combos… one might hope so, and they certainly have our respect.

But it would sure be nice to do a shootout between all these on a decent system (for a change), by people who care about subtle differences (ditto), who let the components warm up for a day or so (*sigh*), and who give the components the can-I-live-with-it-long-term-or-do-I-just-end-up-playing-vinyl-all-the-time-cause-I-think-all-digital-sucks-anyway test (which rules out the efficacy of the rest of the digital shootouts out there).

The Difficulty of Communicating About Sound

The ability to talk about, to write about, how something sounds, to someone not in the same room, is so ridiculously difficult that it bears little resemblance to talking about anything else except, perhaps, emotions (like Love).

For example, take the visual arts. Take ‘paintings’.

CASUAL DESCRIPTIONS

Your friend bought a new piece of art. They like it a lot and tells you it is kind of a cross between a Gauguin and Matisse.

OK. Your mind starts churning up images of their paintings… I think most people would try and think of paintings that would be something nice to look at, rather than some kind of monsterous offspring.

So, already we are trying to interpret what is meant by Gauguin and Matisse: WHICH works of theirs? In what WAY are they combined (color palette? brush strokes? atmosphere? thickness of paint? )? What, is it a scene with blue 2D dancers with orange grass and yellow sky?

DETAILED DESCRIPTIONS

They go further, telling you that there is a lot of good detail, microscopic changes in color, along with great macroscopic-sweeps of changes throughout the piece. The colors are a little ‘hot’ in the middle palette colors, and they are counter-balancing this by choosing a dark matt for their framing of the piece.

So, now we all know exactly what they piece sounds, I mean looks, like, right?

It gets even worse….

COMPARISONS TO THE KNOWN

Let’s say they sent you a photo of the Gauguin and Matisse paintings they think their new painting is an offspring of. So that there is a common frame of reference, kind of like you and your best friend sharing a deep knowledge of how two sound systems sound.

Here are the two paintings:

So, now we all know what our friend’s new painting looks like, right?

A PHOTOGRAPH

Finally they send you a photo. Ah, finally we get a sense of what they bought – not quite the same, but at least we can see that it looks like they have wasted their money. Again.

A SOUNDOGRAPH

Eventually we will have cheap systems that reproduce sound very accurately, as well as a photograph does the visible spectrum today. As we talked about in a previous post, at this future date the hifi system designer as artist will come into their own. When a SOUNDOGRAPH is sent to you, it will likely be, if you are a dilettante , an unreal but very evocative and moving sound that you are receiving – or perhaps your friend is still wasting their money on this futuristic day, yet again.

IN THE MEANTIME

Before digital photography, one often had trusted friends and art dealers whose recommendation they could trust. These friends and dealers were experienced, shared a common approach and similar tastes, and had recommended good things in the past. Yes, they could send a photograph – but this would take several days, and perhaps the painting will not be around that long.

It took a large amount of trust on the part of the purchaser, trust in the person doing the recommending, especially if it was expensive.

It was bought ‘blind’ so to speak.

Just like we buy things ‘deaf’.

In the high-end audio world, we aren’t quite where the art world was back then, yet. Perfect strangers just met on the net are entrusted to make recommendations and bad reviews helter-skelter. Who are these people? Has anyone besides themselves heard THEIR system?

And dealers. Dealers are not tested to see if a common taste is shared, or whether their recommendations are truly well-thought out or are just a way to make a quick buck.

A sad state of affairs.

But, as another previous post said, the way out lies in the hobby centering around people who live up to their good reputations and are willing to put them to the test: dealers, netizens, reviewers, manufacturers… Not everyone will agree with everyone else, but at least they can be trusted to say what they think, and have some consistecy in their approach. And that their approach has something to do with sound, something at least, and not completely to do with dollars or getting home in time for supper or just taking pleasure from the attention gained by shouting fire! or gold!.

Yep, consistency and honesty. That is all we need.

And you might note that the best reviewers have this going for them already. Mike Fremer, J.A., Srajan, Roy Gregory, Art Dudley, etc…. [Not that we have to AGREE with them. Not even most of the time :-)]

Overview of the Audio Note product line panoply

It’s just a start – and only overviews the more complex parts of the line (ignoring the M1… M10 naming simplicity of the preamps and DACs for example). But hopefully it gives an idea of how things are organized…

It is located off our Audio Note distributership page at:

Audio Note Overview

We will keep trying to make the window narrower over time as well ๐Ÿ™‚

Audio Note Dealer Showcase

We’ve put up a showcase for the Audio Note U.K. dealers in the U.S.

This should help people learn a little bit about each dealership, what they have on site, their philosophy, etc., specially for those that do not have a website yet.

It is accesible from our front page by clicking on the ‘Audio Note’ button and then clicking on ‘Dealers’ or by useing the following link:

Audio Note Dealer Showcase

Prequalifying Customers?

There is a disturbing thread on the Audio Asylum… yes, I know that is nothing to post about… but in this case, it highlights why dealers are so despised in this hobby. And since we are a dealer, well, this is not only Annoying, but, well, maybe it is only annoying.

This is the link to the thead:

I just got phone screened by a dealer and rejected.

What is annoying is that this practice is defended by several dealers, and a reviewer. And we know several very successful dealers who do this. No wonder so many people think dealers suck.

Of all the dealers that have an excuse to pre-screen customers, it should be us. What with one $500K system and two quarter million (and one very nice $25K one, too. High efficeincy speakers rock.), are we supposed to answer the phone with “If you are not independently wealthy, at the beep, hang up.”?

Shhhhheeeeooooot, man, life is too short to spend it being rude.

I told myself, when I was starting out as a professional programmer, that if coding ever became a bummer [yes, it was a long time ago :-)] that I would quit being a professional and go back to doing it as a hobby. It was just too much fun and I didn’t want the business aspect of it to ruin it for me.

And over the decades, although some bosses were downright sleezy, I could still retain my love of coding. I didn’t have to become sleezy [although I did become angry and disgusted a number of times – I’m sure you all can relate].

The point of this is, the day when the business side of this hobby threatens to take the fun out of music, or threatens to turn us into a**holes – we are outahere.

And until that time, we welcome EVERYONE who is actually interested in hearing what we got. Be forewarned, you will be spoiled before you leave.

Funny, most people pre-qualify themselves with something like “I probably can’t afford anythiung you got up there…” [That’s OK, we know are out-a-control] “…but I would love to hear A, B and or C…”[Sure! When is a good time for you?]”… and maybe D too, but that is way out of my price range…”[Yeah, it is pretty expensive, but wait until you here it! It is so awesomely good at….] “…and I’m not really even looking for anything in particular, I like my current system.” [It sounds like your system is well-balanced. No reason to upgrade unless you want to. If and when you to decide to upgrade, give us a call, maybe we can help].

I cannot see how this is anything but common courtesy. I know being nice is out of fashion these days – everybody wants to be Dirty Harry [me, I’ll be Josey Wales :-)], but seriously, …..

Truth is, most people really *can* afford many things we sell – Audio Aero Prima CD player at around $2K, The Accoustic Zen Adagio speaker at around $4K, lots of Audio Note equipment, Edge G-series amps and preamps, Shunyata entry-level power cords, etc. etc.

But they often really want to be able to come hear the BIG STUFF.

Is there something wrong with that? It is what *we* would want to do if we were them. And heck, we *are* them.

OK, some people come up here to convince themselves (and us!) that their system, or more often: the system that they are going to be able to get for pennies on the dollar when they eventually find it, is better than all of our systems. This can be kind of awkward. But still, even these people are fairly polite and goodnatured, for the most part – especially because we are not interested in being stuck with teaching them that most of what they read about on the forums and magazines is… uh… not really about high-end audio, per se.

We are not evangelical here. We just push play, answer questions, and be polite. And meet lots of very nice people. Where is the call to be rude and nasty?

One thing though, if you want to come up here and listen. please remember… to bring some great music! [Almost all of the music we buy these days was something someone brought up here with them during an audition].

And, anyone know why people patronize these hard agressive dealers who are rude and impolite, and who sell stuff that sucks without blinking an eye? Just curious… Maybe it depends on where you live. Here in Boulder, this would be suicide. Boulder is not that friendly, actually, but to be rude is really bad karma, man.

Showroom 2 and 3 swapped their speakers…

We moved the Marten Coltrane Supreme speakers over to in front of the Soundlab U1 speakers and the Marten Coltrane loudspeakers over behind the Kharma Mini Exquisite speakers. The ‘Supremes’ are slowly making their way upstairs.


The Marten Coltrane Supreme speakers driven by Lamm ML2.1 amps and Lamm L2 preamp. Source is the Brinkmann Balance turntable with Lyra Titan cartridge and Audio Aero Prestige CD / SACD player / linestage.


The system sounds good – at the volumes we play it at (i.e. below 100 dB) the bass tower’s rear-firing ports did not seem affected by the proximity of the SoundLab speakers. The main towers, being sealed, also did not have too many adverse affects [we still need to move the bass towers farther back, away from the front of the main towers – which improves imaging significantly].

The thing about these speakers, which has been unexpected, is how ‘intimate sounding’ they are. Unlike most (all?) other speakers that produce a large soundstage, which have a somewhat dominating influence, distancing the musicans from the here and now in some way that is hard to explain right now – the listening experience here is more like listening to monitors. Like the musicians are playing music Just For Me.

Still don’t know what to make of this – or whether other people will appreciate this or not. But there is a lot more ‘affection’ for the music in this context – it is much more approachable.


On the other side of the room, behind the listening chairs, is the now sparsely settled showroom 2 with the Marten Coltranes waiting behind the Khamra Minis. This will be the configuration we will use, along with a pair of Audio Note speakers standing by, when the ‘Supremes’ make it all the way upstairs into the big showroom #1.