Our traditional critique of JV's RMAF Show Report
[This is the only show report which we have found, over several years, to have any in-depth content.]
I will only talk about rooms we both saw that he commented on.
The link to his report is here:
=== Evolution Acoustics / darTZeel ===
I was originally going to cover this in our show report, but, even though I made an attempt to get back to this room – and got really, really close, I only heard it once. Neli also heard this room and I will take her observations into consideration with respect to my comments here.
I think we all agree that this was the best sounding EV / dartZeel room at a show in years. I heard the R2R only, and I did NOT hear any “slight edge in upper mids”. What I heard was a nicely fleshed out sound [as opposed to a somewhat midrangy sound at previous shows]. What I also heard, and Neli seemed to as well, was a highly separated sound that did not seem to congeal into a whole. I spent my time there trying to determine if it was the fault of the R2R, but Neli heard the Playback Designs digital and had the same experience. This is often a symptom of sitting too close to the speakers – which in these small hotel rooms is not all that uncommon.
=== Magico ===
Well, surprise surprise JV is on the Magico bandwagon in spite of the “There was just a trace of dryness and sterility” comment.
One has to wonder what the spectacular Magico marketing budget has been this year – and other speaker manufacturers, all kinds of audio manufacturers in fact, must be wondering if such an all-out effort may be worth it or not. Depends on the eventual backlash I guess – usually campaigns like this are staged so that they unfold over years.
We’ve already talked this room to death, lets just say that this year’s cheerleader system, the Magico / Spectral system is Waaaaay better than last year’s cheerleader YG Acoustics / Soulution system, and that both speakers, although good, are not very useful for our purposes because they cannot generate sufficient micro-dynamics, in large part because they are so darn hard to drive, requiring very large [and to date] inferior amps to drive them with.
=== JBL / Levinson ===
[I did take pictures of all these rooms, maybe I’ll insert them in here…]
[[Oh look! I did!]]
JV says “very dynamic, … and maybe a slight edginess in the upper mids.” Hmmmmm… I guess this could be described that way. The sound of the Levinson electronics came through clear as … it came through very clear. Levinson, which we’ve owned plenty of, is somewhat dull-sounding when it is not being somewhat edgy. The JBL speakers are dynamic horn-like speakers [wanted to hear these speakers last year on the Pass Labs… but considering the Pass Labs [excluding the First Watt amps] is somewhat similar to the Levinson, maybe not.
=== Walker / Technical Brain / TAD ===
“lightning quick on transients and nearly dead-neutral in midrange balance, without a smidge of the darkness, phony warmth, sibilance, or spittiness”
… yes, yes, TAD speakers do dynamics, not sure what he means by midrange balance unless he means overall balance of things in the midrange region. He seems to be talking about perfectly neutral in terms of warmth versus coldness… and I guess I would not argue with that. But
“Absolutely phenomenal when it came to low-level detail,”…
Say what? JV should be very familiar with the Walker sound, he may even still own one, so I am not sure where this is coming from since almost no low-level detail was present during my visit on the last day.
Perhaps
“slight brightness and dryness of the tiny room”
explains the problem – if he heard this room early in the show, and they did something to ‘fix’ the brightness, then perhaps they removed the low-level detail as well…? Because I heard no brightness in this room.. and no real dryness beyond what is kind of expected for solid-state systems.
Then again, “dryness” versus “phony warmth” versus “dead-neutral” ? Not sure that this isn’t just a tad confusing…. JV tries to say something good and then gets down to business about what he really thinks [when he is not prohibited from doing so by commercial realities].
So he really found it “bright and dry with good low-level detail and midi-dynamics” and we found an “extreme lack of low-level detail and micro-dynamics with good midi-dynamics”. Somewhat of a disagreement on the ability of that system to render the details that were no doubt coming off the Walker like water from a firehose.
=== Big YG / Soulution room ===
Don’t really disagree with any of his impressions except that my conclusions are very different. With all the problems that he notes with the sound, this system from my point of view is unable to produce sound that goes much beyond the “Plays Loud with Disappearing Speaker Act” that Boy Toy systems seem so very, very proud of.
=== Venture / FM Acoustics ===
“… exceptional resolution of low-level detail and very good recovery of ambience. However, I thought I detected a trace of brightness in the midrange, which also sounded a little forward in this room;…”
Ah, we reviewed this room, and a pattern is forming here 🙂
1) there was a lack of low-level detail here – and in fact these speakers are not known for their low-level detail [they are known for being beautiful to look at, laid back, hard to drive and pleasant sounding].
So, obviously, we are looking for a LOT more low-level detail in our playback than JV, which in some large sense is related to micro-dynamics and inner-detail etc. This is where the emotion and skill of the musicians and type of violin etc. are found. I can now see that he might not actually HATE the Soulution, not looking for all that much low-level detail in his music these days.
2) Brightness in the midrange…? [uh oh, deja vu] This system was not bright. We were chatting in the middle of the room, and one of their guys cranked up the sound on us to try and tell us to shut up [didn’t work 🙂 But I was talking to Darrin, the owner of the room, so there :-)]. I am sensitive to brightness [don’t need anything to make me MORE irritable than I already am dammit :-)] . It wasn’t bright and hung together fine at the higher volume.
=== Big TAD / Walker, Technical Brain ===
All I can say is that isn’t capitalism grand? And bosses suck.
=== Our room: Marten / Audio Note / Emm Labs ===
“little bright and lacking in body (those farchachdat hotel rooms, again), the Coltranes were nonetheless extremely lovely to listen to—a sound very reminiscent of the better Kharma loudspeakers”
JV was in our room and I think it was the first hour of the show. [I’m ignoring the ceramic driver praise and slap – he is just setting us up for his real opinion]. They were indeed a little bright. They were also a little thin as well [I would say ‘reticent’ more than thin, due to the drivers not moving as freely as they should because they are not broken in, but let’s not quibble. Of course, they were also very clean with incredible micro-dynamics and musical content – unlike anything anything else people have heard before, and that is a fact that would be news in other hobbies not so dominated by adv. $ … What hobby would that be, you might ask? I’ll let you know…]. This of course got quite a bit better as we broke them in – and JV no doubt understands that the sound would be better in a day or two, but was presumably unable to get back to us later in the show. [Funny, he says to me something like “I’ll try and come back later”… which is just what I say to people when I know I SHOULD come back, but all the while knowing that there is like ONE percent chance of it happening at a large show like this with so much to do. 🙁 Seriously, our lines do not command large advertising budgets, and our rooms do not draw reviewers because they are looking to help their magazines keep in business etc. So it was nice of JV to stop by in spite of all the reasons he had not to]
Oh! I almost forgot. Now, about that Kharma comment… 🙂 these speakers are as different as Wilson and Sonus Faber, but because they both use ceramic drivers [Kharma only for mids and tweets] people think they are the same. We carry both speakers, and they are both excellent speakers, but to compare them like that … I understand it is probably a compliment, but … first, it is likely to cause an international incident, and second, Kharma could NEVER sound like that. Kharma is exuberant sounding, incredibly involving and with very high midrange resolution [and rarely thin sounding]. Marten is incredibly transparent to the upstream components – it can be whatever you want [after it is broken in]. See? Different.
OK.
Anther year, another RMAF. CES and T.H.E. Show(!) is just around the corner. Can’t wait!
This is the first time I went to RMAF, I live in a city over 24 hours to arrive in Denver, I am very surprised by those comments because it is more or less what I saw and heard there, I mentioned this in a Forum here in Brazil, I know that Hiend-shows is not the better place to judge the equipments, there a lot of problem- room, peolple speaking, the kind of music… Three of my observations are not a criticism, just my opinion honestly, the reality can be seen in different ways, as F. Pessoa said : Just as words can not express the thoughts, the thoughts can not express reality.
1 – The soulution Yg had a negative impact, there was no focus, Ella’s voice was higher than the height of the YG, I think the source was a koorg direct in DAC ofsoulution cdplayer, the other day I went there with a friend, saying nothing, and he asked me what was that? had the same opinion.
2 – FM acoustic / venture, I have never heard before and an FMacoustics sound, I always had doubts whether they were worth what they asked, quite expensive!, for some people this amount of money can translate “good sound” on the other hand I thought this price maybe markenting, and the sound was not what I prefer , the sound was average, details, microdetalhes but soulless, … I am in peace, the FM acoustics in this case was exactly what I think.
3-I was little disappointed with the room of audio Federation Marten Coltrane /audio note /EMMlabs/ odin and Jorma, this was the only room I stayed for more than 5 songs, what happened? the only thing I could think was that the energy was changed, perhaps less watts that was necessary, I heard voice, violins, guitars, and for me the sound was constrict, the timbre of a violin was exactly, the explanation I think maybe the impedance curve of marten that reaches 3 ohms is incogruent with audionote? besides this this was the most friendly room, the only I saw a paper asking CDs to be listen.
Sorry my poor English
Hi George,
Thanks! Glad you could make it to RMAF… that is a very long trip!
Sorry that you were a little disappointed with our Audio Federation room. The problem wasn’t with the amps, which can drive just about anything, but with the newness of the speakers. The drivers had only been played for 3 days, and that was 10 months earlier and they were a little stiff – note bloom and decay was somewhat ‘constricted’ as you say.
We plan on taking this same equipment to the next several shows [with a few surprises! Stay tuned… or ‘clicked’ as the case may be]. What we will do with new speakers in the future, is to play Bela Fleck at half volume [LOUD] like we did on the last day right before closing – but NEXT time we will play it BEFORE the show opens, to waken and loosen up the bass drivers. Similarly with Who’s Next, to waken up the tweeters. [as soon as the system is finally setup and makes music and doesn’t SUCK, we are so happy – that we forget to do the other things we, in more relaxed situations, would be doing]
In hindsight we were naive to think that just because WE knew the speakers were new – and our knowledge of the system is so deep that we are easily able to discount the still-being-broken-in issues – that EVERYBODY else would just kind of be able to intuit this as well, like some kind of Vulcan mindmeld process would just kind of ‘happen’ from our minds to all the visitors to our room’s minds [in our defense, I think we WERE able to mindmeld with a significant percentage of people there, perhaps even you a little bit? :-)].
Hope you got a chance to play some of your CDs!
Take care,
-Mike