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Soundstaging – An American vice or the face of truth?

We talk to a number of people from outside the U.S. – a significant percentage of our readers are from overseas and Canada – and we often hear something like:

“Oh, only you Americans care about soundstaging.”

Soundstaging – for the purpose of this post – is depth and breadth of imaging – being able to hear WHERE the instruments are. Soundstaging is the opposite of a ‘wall of sound’ – where the sound seems to come to the listener in one big mish mash from the general direction of the plane of the speakers.

OK, it does take a larger-sized room to be able to pull the speakers out from the wall in order to hear any kind of soundstagjing. And many people in Europe do not have large-sized rooms. But we hear the same thing from Australia – which has side-open spaces like we do and presumably large-sized listening rooms.

Funny, Americans are supposed to be unsophisticated – not caring about subtle details that contribute to enjoyment of the finer things in life. Well, at least in this case – I think they are wrong.

Why? Because soundstaging occurs in real life – and one of the things our systems should do is try to mimic real life.

Certainly acoustical instruments soundstage. Otherwise we would be a dead species – hearing the lion’s roar, or baby’s cry, not knowing where it came from.

In many amplified venues, the counter-argument goes, people do not hear a soundstage. I think this is because the amplification is cheap and not setup correctly, sound coming from speakers mounted on the ceiling, in the walls, … coming from amps shared by multiple instruments… etc.

So, not much else to say – it is obviously NOT a vice, and is instead an attribute of the Real Thing. Hopefully our audiophiles overseas will catch up to us ๐Ÿ™‚ Funny though, speakers manufactured overseas soundstage just fine thank you, being a result of matching pairs of speakers (frequency response, etc) and a decently detailed treble. So we just got to get them to pull the speakers out from the wall and get with the program…. ๐Ÿ™‚

One thing I know, once you get used to soundstaging, it is hard to live without. It is addictive.

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The view out of the main listening room has changed a little


We got some serious wind a few days ago…. and one of the trees, one that was dead anyway… decided to lay down for awhile.

This tree has been in most of the photos of our main listening room (and listening room/showroom #2). Then it died a few years – but its bark turned an interesting red color and so it still contributed to the ambiance of the scenery outside.

If you look closely, you can see the silhouette of a Kharma Mini Exquisite loudspeaker through the window on the left…

The root system sure wasn’t much to look at… Glad it went THAT way through the fence and not through the window…

But it landed on another dead tree – a cool looking one at that – so we have this abstract branch sculpture to look at if we get bored…. So it still contributes to the ambiance – just a little more chaotically. ๐Ÿ™‚

Current state of things

First off, daughter got successfully married to her first husband (hey, one can’t ignore statistics – or heredity :-), relatives have come and gone, and time to get back to work….

I’m writing this in Firefox, which has a built in spell checker, so if all goes well my posts will read a little more like English and less like Mikeish.

So… the ro0ms are pretty much the same as they have been…


We have the Kharma Mini Exquisites upstairs waiting to be tried with the Audio Note Ongaku, Driven by the Emm Labs CDSD/DCC2 (the CDSA is out on audition – for those that want transparency and musical truth, this is an amazing deal at $10K, the bar has been raised significantly).

The Mini’s are somewhat hard to drive, so we’ll see if the 25 watt Ongakus do it or not.


The dream system – Marten Coltranes driven by Audio Note Kegon amps and the Audio Note M10 preamp (with an Audio Note digital front end – CDT3 and DAC 4.1x Balanced). We’ve taken most of this system to Rocky Mountain Audio Fest shows – but not with the M10, which adds C-O-N-T-R-O-L. Kind of a Kegon++ type sound. A slightly rounder sound than the Lamm ML2/L2/Coltrane/HRS system/Jorma Prime – our other reference Coltrane system – we might take the former system to CES next year.


The equipment rack. Duh.


The Marten Supremes need to go upstairs – yes – at 300lbs for the bass units (includes the 50lb spikes on the bottom) Neli is pressuring Mike to get the to a gym…. but we might just hire some guys we know – who handled the Triolons several times and will be happy to see that these are REASONABLY-sized speakers for a change.


Finally, out smaller system room. The Audio Aero Prestige CD/SACD player into the Audio Note Otto integrated into Audio Note speakers. Very nice and immediate and uncompressed. Otto still breaking in though….


The closeup view…

The HRS SXR Equipment Rack

The SXR is HRS’s new equipment rack, a ‘little brother’ to their no holds barred MXR equipment rack.

The SXR rack, without platforms (aka shelves) is about 1/2 the price of the MXR without shevles.

It is fully configurable, from one shelf (amp stand) to 4 or 5 (or perhaps more, but sonic degradations will start to show its head much higher than this)

All parts are reusable as you upgrade and extend the rack over the coming years…

Yes, including double-wide, triple and more -wide as well…

We hope to get one or two of these in here sometime, probably closer to the end of the summer…. if for no other reason than they are easier to move around and take to shows.

High-end Audio Shows

I’ve been wondering whether many of us have too high of expectations for attendance at shows…

Think about other shows, which I have not attended, much like the vsat majority of the populace who have not gone to these shows either [whether high-end audio or not].

Take for example an auto show or pet show.

As a bystander, I think I might want to go to one of these shows sometime – but a few things hold me back:

1. Difficulty of finding parking (and the expense of parking)

2. Crowds. Too crowded to get to see and do what I might want to do there.

3. A lot of hype. A lot of people trying to convince me what it the best X, Y or Z.

4. Cost. Hidden costs of food and drink and costs at the gate.

5. Wondering if it is just going to be boring. Nothing really cool to see.

If I was marketting a show I would try and address each one of these issues – let people know ahead of time what to expect – though there is not much one can do about #2

So thoughts:

People like passive entertainment – so perhaps a large room could be set aside, large enough to hold 1000+ people, and demos could be wheeled in and out all day long – with a little shpeel before and after. And let people freely come and go.

A pictorial show directory – so people can look for things that LOOK cool and search them out….

But at the end of the day – most shows are going to have the industry and hardcore hobbiasts in attendance – and that goes for CEDIA, CES, HE, and most other shows I have attended. They usually have provisions for the public – often offering free tickets to the exhbitions – but I would estimate less than 1% are John and Mary Q. Public.

HE 2007 – A review of show reviews

Stereophile had their usual show report – they have about 10 people covering the show, but 3 or 4 seem to do most of the work.

This is their show, so we should expect a great show report from them, right?

It is here

Let’s see, the rooms that we could expect to SOUND the best, because they usually sound the best, weren’t mentioned: for example the Lamm room, Zu Audio, etc.. Were they there? You can’t tell from their report.

So, although their show report is getting better, it is still a New Product Annoucement Brochureware Extravaganza,

…and it is evolving to include the Audio World Manufacturer Photo ID Index.

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Positive Feedback has a small show report as well. It is here

This report talks about the sound. This makes it worth reading.

Everything didn’t sound great. This makes even more worth reading.

In fact, it looked to me like Marshall Nack didn’t like anything all that much, and describes why. Cool.

Wish he had dug deeper and spent more time with the sphereical Cabasse speaker – or better, I hope we get to hear them sometime, and not just SEE them at the shows we DO get to.

Enjoy The Music has a few small photos and some room descriptions up. You can find it here

The photos are too small for my taste – but their show reports add more photos and cover rooms that no one else covered….

Allmodcons did a report over at the Asylum.

It is here

His point, repeated, that the hobby is closing in on itself in terms of age (add sex and race too) is something that is becoming all too obvious these days….

Trelja did a great report. His reports are getting bigger… ๐Ÿ™‚

It is here

Lone Star Audio Fest 2007

First a few photos of our *Audio Note U.K. room.


Everything was more or less modestly priced except perhaps the CDT3 and DAC 4.1x Balanced, together a $20K front end, that was probably more expensive by itself than many other entire systems at the show. Here’s our brochure that gives the details of the system we brought to the show.

Neli thought that maybe 50-60 people made it to the room. In comparision, about 400-500– get to our room at RMAF.

We took the *Acoustic Dreams equipment rack again. Many exhibitors chose to use the hotel furnishings to support their gear rather than to bring a stand.

The show’s rooms were suites. This is what the sleeping room looked like, with the furnishings from the main room and empty equipment boxes piled up more or less out of the way.

This was our next door neighbor, Custom Isolation Products showing with Clarity Cables. One of the few rooms to bring a real equipment rack and amplifier stands, which they build. Very distinctive, modern look with heavy acrylic shelves and that very cool blue light. At $1200/shelf it is comparable in price to our Acoustic Dreams’ rack which comes in at $1500/shelf. Sonically … it’s so hard to tell about the specifics of a line of vibration isolation products, or a line of cables, at a show, but … their room sounded very nice. It’s so easy to have good things sound bad, especially at a show.

They were showing the*Marten Design ‘Miles II’ speakers and *Audio Aero Capitole Mk II CD player, with a pair of Art Audio amplifiers doing a wonderful job on the Miles. Why is it that rooms that have the Capitole player always are amongst the best rooms at a show? Maybe it has to do with the aesthetic of the owner themselves…


Duke and his wife, from Audio Kinesis were also there, Neli saying it sounding pretty good in this room as well.

AudioKinesis brought their Jazz Modules, in a lovely walnut finish. They were powered by Richard Grey’s 300B amps, in a custom chassis, and accompanied by a vintage Infinity preamp. These are very interesting loudspeakers, and would benefit from a larger room.

This room was set up by the Dallas Audio Society. Texas is big fun, and the Audio Society folks are certainly proof of this. Neli did not for some insane reason photograph the completely restored original Keith Monk record cleaning machine that was hiding in a corner … the very lucky and diligent owner purchased it for very little money, the new ones are now about $6K. This is the machine on which the Loricraft is based.

Fred Thompson’s line arrays definately do a big sound, at a real budget price point — if memory serves me, they’re $350 to build a pair yourself. The amplifier is a tiny Class T device, there on the top shelf.

Bob Spence from Maxxhorn is always a gracious host, and the sound in here was big and open with good separation and good tonality. Electronics include the very distinctive little Berning amp in the front (I think this is a microZOTL), powered by the battery pack that is hiding next to the table with the CD player (a modified Sony 9000ES). We had wanted to let the Mixibitors bring the Audio Note OTO Phono SE over from our room … but Neli was too tired Sunday evening and dinner beckoned. In retrospect … we missed an opportunity. Maybe at RMAF!

Hi Folks, Neli here … my writing is rather different from Mike’s so you can probably tell that some of this post is his, and some mine. A few overall remarks on the Lone Star show:

I did a lame job at getting out of the room and taking pictures. This was compounded by the side effects of ongoing construction in the hotel *during the show*. Jackhammers. Carpenters. Random loud banging and assorted other noise. I didn’t really get out of our room on Friday or Saturday morning to take any pictures, and many exhibitors just bailed and checked out Sunday morning. Our room, which was over in the corner, at first seemed like not-so-good of a location but in the end it was one of the quietest places on our floor for construction noise. I would expect that the show organizers are mighty annoyed. They were able to quiet the jackhammers by Saturday afternoon … but by then the damage was done.

So I didn’t get to all the rooms, and I didn’t take pictures in all the rooms I did get into. For example, Brian Smith of Audio Note Kits brought a bunch of very kewl parts, and a full kit-built system with new monoblocs that sounded really quite wonderful, and a lovely new chromed chassis … but I didn’t take any pictures. Sigh. Please don’t worry — Mike will be back at his usual antics soon.

The most complete discussion area regarding the LSAF that I’ve found so far is at AudioRoundtable.com, in their General forum. I have a hard time with forums sometime — but I like the tone of the discussions at Audio Roundtable. I’ve been liking the AudioCircles, too. A bit kinder and gentler than the better known forums.

And here’s a list of other reports:

Dave Cope (Audio Note UK’s factory liasion, and general websmith/wordsmith, see TriodeAndCO.us) has a very nice slideshow.
The Lone Star Bottleheads’ photos are up on their forum, here — and they also have a slideshow version here.

The CryoParts folks did a little reporting on there site, here:

Bill Epstein attended for Dagogo — his report is here

Both Albert Porter and Akhilesh Bajaj wrote for Positive Feedback:
Albert Porter’s report
Akhilesh Bajaj’s report

HE 2007

I have been seriously under the weather here for several days – the irony of the timing being coincident with home entertainment aka the stereophile show cannot be lost on us – so this is the first time I have been on the net in what seems like for-ev-er.

And before this it was comcast being down for two weeks… but that seems to have resolved itself (knock mice).

So, as you can gather, we did not make it to HE 2007 this year. We will be posting to links to the reports that look like they have something to offer. Hopefully there will be a few.

And still waiting for those photos from Neli for Line Star Audio Fest. One can only pester one’s wife so much… and i assure you I am not holding back any of my perstering firefower…. ๐Ÿ™‚

Lone Star Audio Fest

Well, Neli hasn’t sent me any pics… so…

… and she says it is pretty well attended, but not TOO well attended, so I have no idea how many people showed up.

Comcast has been down for almost two weeks… up for only 5 minutes every few hours…

So I am typing fast…!

Hopefully she’ll have pics… but it was a really small show, so don’t expect too much.

Lone Star Audio Fest

Well, Neli hasn’t sent me any pics… so…

… and she says it is pretty well attended, but not TOO well attended, so I have no idea how many people showed up.

Comcast has been down for almost two weeks… up for only 5 minutes every few hours…

So I am typing fast…!

Hopefully she’ll have pics… but it was a really small show, so don’t expect too much.