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Musical Chairs or Hot Potato?

Been moving things around some.

We are trying to setup things so that we have two systems we can wire with all Nordost ODIN cables [hopefully here next week], with 2 interconnects and one speaker cable [we are ignoring the Coltrane Surpreme’s bass tower speaker cables, at our own ear’s risk, of course – but our pocketbooks and wallets thank us].


Edge Signature One solid-state amps driven directly by Audio Aero Prestige, with Brinkmann Balance turntable and Lamm LP2 phono plugged in to one of the inputs on the Prestige.


Unfortunately, the limitations of the $14K Prestige’s built-in preamp [linestage] is evident, things being a little muddier than what we are looking for [especially in comparison to the pre in the $85K Audio Note Ongaku we were using before :-)]. The Prestige’s built-in pre is fine for things up to, say, $40-50K speakers, at which point the decision on whether to get an outboard preamp has to be made on a speaker by speaker basis – and the size of one’s wallet. The Kharma Mini Exquisites like a little more oomph of the extra pre, the Marten Coltrane speakers do well with either.

I’m sure the Audio Note M10 linestage on the Kegons would be great, as well as the Lamm L2 linestage on their ML2.1 amps, but then we are talking about 3 interconnects for digital instead of 2, and so no 100% ODIN setup.

Downstairs, we have the Emm Labs CDSA driving the Lamm L2 linestage into the Audio Note Kegon amplifiers. Interesting mix of brands, I know, but it sounds re-e-e-e-al good – and it allows us to swap in different amps for demos.


But, since that demo has been postponed, and in the interest of limiting this system to just 2 interconnects as well, we will setup the Emm Labs CDSA player [and/or Audio Note CDT3 transport and 4.1x Balanced DAC] connected to the Audio Note Ongaku integrated into the Kharma Mini Exquisite loudspeakers.

If we just had ONE more pair of ODIN interconnects… and another speaker cable for the bass towers on the Supremes [probably open up their bass something wonderful], … but, no, we can’t go there. That way lies madness. πŸ™‚


A final shot of the Audio Note amps.

We hope to have an 100% Audio Note Sogon cabled system – with some of their SOTTO thrown in as well πŸ™‚ before too long. I anticipate completely different sounds from these systems using these different cables πŸ™‚ And we already did the 100% Jorma Design Prime system [at the RMAF show].

It will be so much fun hearing all the differences.

This is what life is all about: enjoying the differences this world has to offer, and experiencing the fruits of expert craftspeople in the pursuit of excellence.

Good Sounds at RMAF 2007

While going over what I thought were the better sounding rooms at the Rocky Mountain Audio Fest, I realized something.

Most of the rooms excelled in one or another particular category of sonic preferences, but were only average, or so, in the others:

Sweet: Intuitive Design + Amber Wave Audio

Impressive: FM Acoustics + Acapella [MBLs, duh, Wilson + BAT and Classic Audio + Atmosphere. have too many problems, but notice how the most easily accessible and impressive rooms garnered most of the attention on the forums?]

Sophisticated: YG Acoustics + Krell + DCS [and Apogee]

Enjoyable: Odyssey

I think this also makes sense from a show reporter’s duty to try and convey what various people would like had they heard everything and were able to rule out the, uh, not so prefect rooms more quickly.

I am trying to get a Linnie to tell me why and how he likes his system – so we can add / understand this category of preference that some people have. Not sure any Linnies will talk to me anymore after the last report, but… we’ll see. It can’t just be about brand loyalty and a few good components… Then again, this is the only thing going for about half [optimistically] of the lines out there, so maybe it is for Linn too. [Hmmmmm…. boy, a lot of lines are popping into my head that this is more than obviously true for….]

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Are we nuts to say nice things about equipment that we do not get free to ‘evaluate’ for 6 months, a year, forever? When these manufacturers do not pay us $500 to $3500 a month to run ads?

You would think so to look at some [but not all!] of the ‘professional’ show reports out there.

We have thought [mostly Neli πŸ™‚ because she thought it was funny. Me, it just did not seem like it was going to help the situations any], over the years, about giving out ‘Q-Tip Awards’ to various rooms because we thought they needed encouragement to improve the sound of their room. You know, a kind of not-all-that-funny Worst Of Show list of rooms. [But you have to admit, many rooms are just going to sound terminally bad because of the way they set them up and the way chose their components. Assuming they care, of course, they could use some honest feedback about what someone else thought they did right and wrong].

But perhaps we should really give them out to various reporters / reviewers, not exhibitors. Of course, we’ll probably get even less coverage of our rooms than we do now.

It still won’t help them be more honest or get better ears… but in the interest of accurate show reporting, perhaps it does make some sense.

[Oh, and I am sure all you industry people are going to speak right up on this one, huh? πŸ™‚ But seriously, the rest of you people, you can comment at any time. Really. Don’t have to register anymore or anything. Easy and Free. We know you are out there πŸ™‚ Do you prefer giant treatises or photos? Never mind, doesn’t matter, we got both – we [me, ugh] just did another component swap workout here and should have new photos up here today or tomorrow.]

Lamborghini or Marten Coltrane Supreme, Marten Coltrane Supreme or Lamborghini

Christmas season is almost upon us, and as we make out our Christmas lists, there is one question that many people must face.

That question is whether to ask for a popular Lamborghini automobile or the much more exclusive, much more useful loudspeakers from Marten, the Coltrane Supreme.

Of course, many of you might ask, why not both? Good question. But not everybody can afford both and we are trying, in the spirit of the several recent issues of Stereophile and TAS, to address the needs of the readers with more modest incomes.

On the one hand we have last year’s Murcielago…

2006 Lamborghini Murcielago at $288,000 – $319,100

or Gallardo


2006 Lamborghini Gallardo at $175,000 – $195,000

versus the Marten Coltrane Supremes:


Marten Coltrane Supreme Loudspeakers at $250,000

In the interests of choosing the right choice the first time, we offer the following comparisons:

Problems with the Lamborghini:

1) Paying for gas at $3 a gallon [subtract 10]
2) Expensive periodic repair costs [subtract 5]
3) It pollutes [subtract 1]
4) Can’t use it during Winter in many places [subtract 15]
5) Stupid laws prevent driving it faster than prevailing traffic conditions allow [subtract 50]
6) Attracts cute people with dubious morals and motivations [subtract 5. If married, add 10.^H^H subtract 10].
7) Lots of people have them [subtract 20]
8) Conspicuous consumption is often frowned upon outside L.A. [subtract 5 if outside L.A., add 20 if in L.A.]
9) Traffic tickets [subtract 5]
10) You have to get it washed a lot [subtract 10]

Problems with the Coltrane Supreme speakers:

None.

So, the choice is really easy this year. Cool.

Next: The Lamm ML3 versus a Porsche 911 Turbo [hint: the analysis goes much the same way as that for the Lamborghini]

Strange 6C33C tube symbol


Here is a 6C33C-B vacuum tube, a tube which is found in, say, Lamm ML1.1 and ML2.1 amplifiers.

In trying to accurately identify this tube, one might reasonably try and describe all information printed on it to somebody, say, over the phone.

This particular tube then, is the “6C33C-B ‘phallic symbol’ 81 with an OTX 7 in a diamond” tube.

At least, that is what I overheard people talking and laughing and wondering about as I was, as usual, hard at work in my office. πŸ™‚

[OK, Neli wants me to remind everybody that there is something on both sides of the phallic symbol….

On the left is the month and on the right is the year of manufacture.

πŸ™‚

Me? I’m calling it a ‘rocket ship’].

Inclusionary versus Exclusionary Tactics

As pointed out in the last post, there seems to still be some old school high-end audio exclusionary tactics in our profession:

“High Fidelity is only for rich [need we say old, white, men?], classical-music lovers only whose system must only be evaluated by comparing their system to the sound of acoustical instruments.”

Somewhat shocking that these attitudes still exist.

The typical stuff one can read posted by Bored Angry Self-Absorbed Guys in the forums is more egalitarian, but still exclusionary: Only tubes, only solid-state, only ‘my favorite brand of the week’, only panels, etc.

But, in our experience, people are much more reasonable in practice. Real people with real systems have their preferences, but they laugh about them, or they are forthcoming about the trade-offs that their preferences require compared to the alternatives.

Real Audiophiles seem to be much more pragmatic and practical and not as fanatic as the people posing in forums, and the audiophile ‘public persona’, would indicate.

This is too understated… When people think about audiophiles, and when they read the forums, it seems like 99% of us are wacko and unpleasant to boot. But people with real systems that they care about and work on are only occasionally unpleasant and rarely audiophile bigots.

[Now, it doesn’t help that the anti-audiophile brigade are some of the most bigoted people one would hope never to meet – but it being unfashionable to pick on people of color or the foreign born – they turn their hate to us.]

It is my stipulation that 99% of the people are nice people and that this 1% is not only unpleasant, and has chased away most people off the forums, but that they have chased away most of the people who might otherwise be interested in this hobby.

So, I am not for censorship, but um, can’t we keep a handle on publishing hate-filled diatribes? The anti-audiophiles on AVS Forum and the angry men on Audio Asylum have already chased away many of the reasonable 99%. If Stereophile, many of whose members live on AA, continues going this direction, I predict that they will 1) soon close their doors, and 2) it will just solidify a number of people’s attitudes towards audiophiles as being exclusionary, unfriendly, holier-than-thou, and not too rational.

The point then, is that all music can be good [and bad], including Rap for those of you who are over 35. All technologies can sound good [and bad]. All people, including audiophiles, can be good [and bad].

Stereophile's J. Gordon Holt Interview

OK, if you haven’t read this As We See It editorial at the front of this month’s Stereophile [November 2007], don’t.

It is a startlingly transparent view into how a bitter old man can embarrass himself in public. I would suggest to JA to avoid doing any more of these to try and preserve whatever generous status history will assign Mr. Holt at this point.

This “high end audio is what I say it is and anybody who disagrees with me is a __________” is so, so, … so speaking to the adolescent males of the species with too much testosterone and an undying sense of self-importance [yes, it plays right into the hands of the forums where similar modes of thinking rule. On purpose? I don’t know. The topic of how Stereophile is more and more often targeting this same audience is for another post].

Reminds me of the similar people on car forums [I go there every 4 years or so when I need to find out about the current state of the auto market].

These people shout that cars are only supposed to:

1) Handle well [engines in the center, please], or
2) Go fast [in a straight line, of course, you Corvette owners know best], or
3) Be reliable [aka not American made], or
4) Be American made, or
5) Have good mileage [Hybrids], or
6) Have 10 ton towing and hauling capability [here in the west, *sigh*], or
7) … many others

and any other reason to evaluate how good a car is is angrily shouted down and flamed.

For those of us not fanatic about cars [I figure 80% or so of our readers], we can see that this is ridiculous. All of these reasons may be valid for different people, and that a weighted mix of these features is most often what is important to most individuals.

Yes, double blind testing has its uses [but mostly its abuses]. And certainly there is a place for science in high-end audio [though remarkably few of the people advocating this have any clue what science is. And besides, funding is, uh, lacking? AWOL? Laughable? But needed if any real research is to be done in the public domain.]

But the ideas thrown around in the article about ‘disciples’, ‘gospel’ and ‘talented reviewers’ smacks of traditional patriarchal dominance of our hobby and that day is thankfully, long gone, dead, buried, and composted. [the net gave the ignorant a voice for the first time in history, and it is obnoxious; but this is better, in my opinion, than a few moldy olds pontificating from on high].

So, in case it wasn’t clear, it is OK to evaluate your system subjectively, objectively [as if this really exists], a mix of the two, by color scheme, weight, size, technologies used, maximum SPL, origin of manufacturer, personality of manufacturer, towing capacity, or what have you. Sure it may not sound good [If you want it to sound good, use subjective evaluations. Duh.]. Welcome to the free world. Welcome to high-end home audio.

News: AudiogoN's RMAF Show Report and Audio Federation's Report

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Stopped by 6moons a few times…

SixMoons.com is usually a safe stop for me – it doesn’t drive me crazy with angst reading their stuff.

I liked the Hong Kong Show Report. Is it just me or do they know how to do high-end like nobody’s business? The new $200K Transroter turntable, the new, what, $140K?, Burmester CD player …

There was also the Jeff Day piece on Musicality at 6moons.

I guess I agree with his general thesis, which we would put as “Don’t overemphasize Realness (transparency, accuracy) and Impressiveness (slam, detail) at the expense of Enjoyability”.

But it was hard to tell if he was going too far, and saying: “Enjoyability versus Realness and Impressiveness are fundamentally incompatible with each other”.

The other point he was implicitly making, and you just know the type of people who will pounce on this, is that not only should products, rather than systems, be chosen on the basis of their Enjoyability (which he calls Musicality) but that cheap products are inherently more musical than expensive ones. For example, car radios, Leben CS600 pre and the Harbeth Super HL5 speakers. [I am not familiar with the Leben, but the $4795 Harbeth ……? How about the Acoustic Zen Adagio, the Quad, the Odyssey Lorali, Sonus Faber Amatuer I, or used Extrema, etc. etc.]

But assuming these do sound good to somebody – they buy them, take them home, plug them in to a system with cables that distort the harmonics and muffle small transients even more, a system with amps that are guaranteed for 20 years exaggerating the attack of every note [not to mention truncating the duration, that most beautiful thing, the ‘sigh’ of each note] so now George and Ringo seem like THEY ARE REALLY ANGRY all the time.

Hey, uneven dynamics and a relaxed attitude to the things like, oh, voices and musical instruments don’t bother everybody.

OK, in my stupid opinion, most equipment over-emphasizes something; it is just plain hard to make something perfectly balanced. But hardly any of it is unusable, if care is paid to system matching.

But is a lot more difficult, it seems to me, to correct for something being too comprised in the attempt for musicality. That if that something has too little of a property of sound, it is worse than too much. If something, in trying to archive “musicality” so badly that dynamics or responsiveness or finesse are removed, there is just no way to get that information back. But if something is too detailed, throw a tube at it [crude but effective]. If something has to much transparency? The soundstage is too realistic? Imaging too spot-on?

Sorry, the article would have been more to the point to talk about components with near perfect balance, and ignore the “audiophiles going down the wrong path” lecture. Audiophiles are all over the place. They don’t need to be steered away from transparency, imaging and the like [we KNOW it is not the end all and be all, that it is not the sole criteria for quality, but it is certainly ONE set of criteria], off into low-fi land.

[I know I exaggerate, but this buyers guide approach bores me. People need to know their options at each price point and the performance trade-offs of these options, using some kind of categorization scheme, [NOT 1 thru 5 stars, A thru D, 1 thru 4 notes, etc.] that can handle the bewilderingly large number of characteristics of each product’s performance as it relates to other product’s performance. We try to do that here, with perhaps some success, though our focus is primarily on the ultra tippity tip of the high-end.]

One of our first posts was about climbing the mountain of fewer and fewer compromises to the ultimate system sitting at the top, which we speculated, most people would agree was the best. And how there is path up the mountain along which systems exist that have compromises but mimic the ultimate system that sits at the top of the mountain . But the compromises are things like frequency extension, macro dynamics, bass. Not details. Not transparency. Not imaging. I would argue that those things are part and parcel of music, and stereo reproduction. They leave the midrange alone. They leave most musical instruments and voices alone. Compromise somewhere else.

As for building a balanced Enjoyable (musical) system.

Just buying cheap gear is not the answer. Just buying old gear is not the answer. Just buying expensive gear is not the answer. Just buying the latest upgrade is not the answer. Just buying things that get great reviews in the magazines or on the forums is not the answer.

The answer? Ugh. W-e-l-l-l-l-l-l-l…

The easiest answer is to listen to lots of things, hear a system you like, and get that system lock, stock and barrel. [I apologize to our non-U.S.readership – I have been overflowing with these old-fashioned ways of putting things lately].

Another method is to grow your system: take your best guess as to what to get next, paying close attention to not only what people say it does well “Great bass on kettle drums, man” but what it is weakest in “I have been noticing a lot of musicians play instruments that need to be tuned”.

Then strive for balance as you add / change components: if you already have something that is very detailed in your system – don’t add something else to your system that is extremely detailed if you want a balance, if you want Enjoyability (Musicality), no matter how ‘cool’ it is or how excited the people are who talk about it.

[But if you do want the Most Detailed System Ever – then… go for it. Have fun. Don’t let anybody tell you that your system has to be enjoyable / musical, it is YOUR system. [Just don’t expect your spouse to hang out with you a whole lot when you are playing it :-)]]

OK. Glad someone is talking a little about music and how humans process it… but this “High-End Audio is All Messed Up Because Of:

[fill in the blank:

1) too much realism, [Jeff Day]
2) too little realism, [J. Gorden Holt]
3) too commercial,
4) too many charlatans,
5) nobody takes it seriously enough
6) missing real dynamics
7) the manufacturers suck, the trade rags sucks, the forums suck
8) the musicians suck
9) the musicians suck after 1750 A.D.
10) kids and their downloads
11) greedy and/ or impressively stupid recording industry
12) things are too expensive
13) China
14) the value of the dollar is dropping like a heavy stone right smack on our little toe [us :-)]
15) the media format (pick one, or pick several: MP3, redbook, SACD, DVD audio, Blu-ray, HDDVD, digital recorders)
16) the media format wars [pick one]
17) home theater
18) too many products
19) shrinking demographics
20) and not the last, but… The Internet

], whiny stuff is for the therapists couch. [Boy, look at how long that extemporaneously written list is… this hobby sure has a lot of whining going on. :-)]

HiFi+ and the Marten Coltrane Supreme loudspeakers


I hope nobody thought we were just going to ignore this… πŸ™‚

Most people tell me this was a pretty positive review. We certainly would like to thank Roy Gregory for taking the time and brain cells to describe what these speakers do, as well as putting it on the cover of the HiFi+ magazine this month.


But me, similar to the reviews of the smaller Marten Coltranes before this by Roy Gregory, Mike Fremer, and HP, I want them to describe what the speakers do that is unique. Not just describe it as yet another speaker that does X, Y and Z with music track A and B.


I can sense that they recognize there is a challenge here, to 1) describe these without damaging their relationships with other manufacturers and 2) not sound like they have gone off the deep end, lost too many marbles, and gone wacko like the guy at Audio Federation.


The problem with these speakers is that they are so competent, especially the Supremes as we call them here [and which is what the rest of this post is about, though everything applies to the Coltranes and little cousins, just there are more compromises and less absolutes], that they are completely shocking… or completely boring.


They are completely shocking because we have spent our lives playing with speakers that are colored. Colored neutral or colored sweet, colored impressive or colored dull. Finally there is the music, which has always been painted in the past with some kind of artist’s brush, the artist being the speaker manufacturer.

To be sure the underlying technology, drivers, crossover, cabinet all limit just what can be done compared to the Real Thing. But, given the technology, this is the way speakers should be built if people just want to hear what is upstream. If they do not, then that is OK, and there are a lot of speakers out there that sound great and we love them and we recommend and or sell a number of them.


They are completely boring because they just play what they are given. They don’t futz with the music and pump it up because they think they know what you should like – and it isn’t the actual music, it is how well the designer can SLAM the bass, or render exceedingly fine detail, or throw a gigantico soundstage or build a great looking cabinet or make tall tall speakers or …

They are boring because after you get them, you are done with speakers. Now, if you want to change the sound, you just change the upstream components.

They are a tabula rasa, which means, if I remember my Spanish [Latin] meaning clean slate. They are like a blank piece of paper: scary, challenging, boring, exciting… because it is now up to YOU to setup the components to make the sound you have always wanted.


And this is where the reviewers are at a disadvantage. They, have limited time and limited componentry to try with the speakers. They may have only one room. It took us one year [so far!], three different rooms, five different positions, dozens of combinations of best in-class amps and cables and sources, … and we are STILL just starting to get a handle on what they can do.

Like any good tool, the designer does their best, but they can barely imagine, if at all, what people will be able to do with it. This is true in software and I believe it to be true in high-end audio as well. We are, many of us, mapping new territory in high fidelity music reproduction using the best equipment available. How much fun is that? [that was a rhetorical question, but, just in case… it is a LOT of fun :-)].

So, I am definitely asking for too much from reviewers, but it would have been so great to have them talk about this in their reviews, how these are so, so, so balanced. Like wives versus girl friends, husband-material versus boy friend-material. Something that will stand by our system for years and years.

Playing an electric guitar through an Audio Note Ongaku amplifier

Richard works at Audio Note and does many things including the website and, apparently, playing guitar through the Audio Note U.K. Ongaku integrated amplifier and Audio Note speakers.

If the video maker does not allow embedding, and there is no video above, clicking on the link below will take you take you to the video on YouTube.

The Video

Cool huh? And not a bad job playing the guitar either.