Wilson Alexandria X-2 speakers
[Now for something a wee bit different]
Not sure whether I should post these observations or not. Usually when we experience a product that we do not carry, we learn a great deal about how it performs unsatisfactorily in several areas. Useful information, no doubt, but it has always been unclear how we might present the information in a non-partisan light. However, in this case, we gained a good deal of experience about a product that we do not carry that indicated that the product performed quite well and that the detailed information about how it performed might be presented here for the benefit of both Wilson Alexandria II owners as well as casual audiophile blog readers..
I guess it is just that we have such a fount of information about how the big Wilsons sound, on VERY high-end, VERY well setup gear [an unfortunately quite rare circumstance in the Wilson owner community], that it seemed a shame to not share it here. Because there is so much misinformation about this speaker line [understandable when the systems recommended by Wilson dealers by and large are just vehicles for making a quick buck, not for producing an enjoyable musical experience for their customers], I will try and go into some detail about what we have learned [hopefully, Neli will remind me of things that I may have forgotten already :-)].
* Speaker Setup
Wilson apparently positions the speakers quite wide apart and significantly toed in, expecting the listener to sit by themselves in the sweet spot at the focus of the more or less equilateral triangle so created.
This may actually work for some people in some rooms, and it is nice and formulaic, not requiring the setup people from Wilson to do much time-consuming [and potentially panic-inducing] experimenting in front of the customer. But if you want your friends and significants to listen with you once in a while, or you want a more solid, real presence of musicians in the soundstage, or a deeper soundstage, etc. then this default setup is not going to serve you well.
Wilsons are front ported, which allows for greater mobility than rear ported speakers, and one just has to experiment a little with positioning until one is satisfied. One option is to toe them in so they point behind the sweet spot and position them close together, and then, slowly, move them apart until the presence [solidity] of the center images starts weakening. The speakers have optional casters, and at 700 lbs, this is somewhat easier than walking them on their spikes 😉
Neli says: Let’s not encourage ANYONE to walk these things on their spikes [OK. I am a guy. I like to pick up heavy things. Really, I am not crazy enough to walk 700 lb speakers, but I do think she is talking to me here :-)]. Caster->spike (even if you have to go Caster->spike->caster->spike a few times) is fairly straightforward, the tools supplied by Wilson are quite robust and well engineered. Unclear to me when crossover changes should be made, and what their actual effect may be — given the effects of the spiking and positioning exercise.
* Stereotypes
The stereotypical sound of Wilson is that they are bright with excessive bass. These observations are, evidently, by people who have heard Wilsons with amps that are bright and have excessive bass [and inferior cables and source equipment, there is no doubt]. I have some degree [large] of frustration [anger] at how bad these associated components are / must be and how audiophiles are duped into buying them and living with them(!) for year after year.
We tried several system configurations with the Alexandrias, the most revealing of which is the Emm Labs XDS1 player either directly into the Audio Note Ongaku integrated or through the Emm Labs PRE2 into the Edge NL Reference solid-state amps. The cabling was either 100% Nordost ODIN or a mix with Jorma Design PRIME speaker cables – all of which are, as far as we have heard in shootouts and at shows [a necessarily limited test] the most revealing cables available. All components were on a HRS MXR equipment rack, M3 or M3X platforms, and Nimbus couplers .
I.E. We *HEARD* these speakers.
This system has significantly more resolution and presence and separation and musicality than the Lamm ML3 / Alexandria X-2 room at CES 2011. Not because the Lamm ML3 is not highly resolving [oh boy, is it!] but because some of the associated equipment of that system at CES has the tendency to make the music soft and dull sounding [it just takes one problem component / cable / rack to seriously muck up the sound. One. And if there is more than one, well, there you go.]. We hope to setup a ML3-based system in the near future – for all the problems with the CES 2011 system it was very, very promising overall.
* Unspiked versus Spiked
We were surprised at the effect spiking the speakers had. We both expected that the bass and lower midrange would tighten and the lower bass would be more authoritative. Instead, the
1) bass tightened and diminished a little bit, merging much more into the whole of the music
2) the entire midrange rightened [ah, a misspelling that makes sense :-)] and revealed noticeably more resolution. The sound flowed better. The notes were less round, but much less woolly as well. Enough resolution was added at the top end that the very, very occasional aggressive peaks now blended into the rest of the music.
* Overall character of the speakers
[using the $350K Marten Coltrane Supreme speakers as a reference standard for these $165K speakers]
Funny, but to me they sounded like were not as inert as 700 lbs of speaker might lead one to believe. This tends to lend a lack of ease to the music, and various notes / frequencies will pull to the speaker boxes. They are very slightly rolled off at the very top. They have good, high resolution but not excessive, down through the midrange. There is a definite resolution gap in the lower midrange to bass area [crossover area?]. And we did not play enough kinds of music with bass for me to say much about the bass resolution but I can say that the bass was not excessive and was decently controlled. Tonally they were ever so very slightly dark. Dynamically they were fairly well-balanced top to bottom and commensurate with other high-efficiency box speakers.
[I know, I know, I review things by pointing out their flaws…]
We did not play with adjusting the crossover nor tweeter cabinet angles, etc. [the latter is silly, we move around too much :-)]
To me, what I get out of all this is that the top selling [last I heard] high-end audio speaker manufacturer is actually building decent speakers. One can NOT say that about the top amp manufacturers or top cable manufacturers. Of course, these ‘top’ manufacturers ARE dropping like flies….
This is seriously commendable – they could just make junk and still make a good living, especially in our marketing-driven hobby/world.
Although the observations in this post only concern the Alexandria X-2, one has to wonder how much of the rest of the line is also incorrectly stereotyped.
* A final word
At the Alexandria II price point there are a couple of worthy competitors – and there are reasons why someone might prefer the commensurately priced Marten or Kharma [or even somewhat more expensive (2011) Audio Note Sogon speakers].
In NO particular order….
One would prefer Marten Momento speakers if one [and I do] wants to hear DEEP, DEEP into the music, EVERYTHING in the music, every last nuance – every tiny dynamic fluctuation, every last harmonic taste, everything that makes music music.
One would prefer Kharma Grande Exquisite Midi speakers if one [and I do (I am so screwed)] want to hear a very detailed, VERY musical, very enthusiastic presentation of their music
One would prefer Audio Note Sogon speakers if one [and I really, really do] want a big, dynamic, engrossing, involving, who-cares-about-anything-but-the-music drug-like-at-the-press-of-a-button presentation.
One would prefer the Wilson Alexandria II speakers if one wants a reasonable, all-round performer with excellent brand recognition and which has many large dealers in most cities in the U.S.
There are not many other large scale speakers out there that have the ability to perform at a high level. The Acapella Triolons. Perhaps the big Focals [Grand Utopia EM, which I have only heard with inferior equipment, which generated an inferior sound]. Most of the players I can think of in this market have just built an expensive speaker to get a [miniscule!] share of this [minuscule!] market. Or the speakers are [essentially] too difficult to drive with existing top-notch amplifier technology.
The point here is that, contrary to public opinion in the audiophile community at large, the Alexandria X-2 do not suck like much, much of the rest of the junk out there that we have to deal with, junk that creates legions of audiophiles who need a multi-step recovery program just to make it back into the world of enjoying the playing of music again.
So, yes, you can indeed avoid expensive audiophile therapy sessions if you have these speakers … just put some decent equipment on them.
Mike,
You cannot imagine how pleased I am to see you delve into equipment which you do not carry in such a fair and balanced manner. I must admit that I am one of those audiophiles who in the past has had little good to say about the biggest Wilsons. Your review has led me to re-think my prior conclusions. I still do not think that they would be my first choice. What a shame that the set up at CES was not better, as it would have been nice to know what the M3’s would have done on these speakers. I understand that the owner also played vinyl and that you had an interesting tweak for his turntable. Would you say a few words about that?
Fred (the lurker in the woods)
Hi Fred,
I do not see the Wilsons as being most people’s first choice, if they could but hear the best of the competition – but I think they ARE a safe choice given the massive confusion caused by the virtual sea of competitors of all stripes and sizes… and of course they are also a very established brand as well.
What we did with the SME 20 is take it off the top shelf of a very popular equipment rack and put it on the floor on a HRS M3X Isolation Base platform [I think Neli convinced me (rightly or wrongly :-))) that the Nimbus Couplers would not work in this application because of the nature of the feet of the SME 20 and they way they kind of suspend the rather heavy plinth. Previously the SME with a nice Koetsu cartridge was incredibly soft and dull sounding. Afterwards it was not and pretty much sounded more or less like a turntable is supposed to sound in that price range.
The soft sounding popular equipment rack was somewhat controversially compared to the HRS equipment rack by Mike Fremer on Audiogon a few years ago [i.e. they may have deleted it]. To help your searches it was the Grand Prix Audio rack. Unlike the Alexandria II speakers we have not much good to say about this rack.
Lurking huh? And in the woods, at that. Hmmmm…. 🙂
Thanks for posting, Fred.
-Mike
Dear Mike,
I’m familiar with both speakers, listened to Kharma mainly with Vitus and Alexandria with Krell Evo1&2 for several hours. How can you compare”artificial” sound of Kharma to organic sound of Wilson I can’t understand.
[gratuitous ad hominem attack deleted]
I must mention I own none of the above systems. I listen to something else…
Regards,
Armen
Hi Armen,
Your comment is a perfect example of the kind of random meaningless conclusions people form from insufficient facts and clumsy observation skills, along with the balls to post it with such confidence, that makes the high-end audio world chock full of unhappy audiophiles.
In the future please confine your trolling to the forums that thrive off of it.
For the rest of us…
Armen’s friend was unable, for whatever reasons, to correctly setup a pair of Kharma speakers and supply it with a high enough quality signal to make music that was to their mutual satisfaction. It happens. I believe they are in Iran and it is not like we can drive out and see what was the problem [though we offered made many, many suggestions on how to debug this]. Armen now seems to have drawn several broad conclusions based on this very limited experience [Fine, I guess. It is a free world. It is not like people are not doing stupid things all over the place these days], and taken up a vendetta against Kharma [excuse me, everybody, but this blog is a vendetta-free zone].
Oh, and as far as ‘organic’ versus ‘artificial’…. a case could be made for both the Wilson and Kharma for being more organic than the other, or more artificial than the other – depending how you define these (somewhat undefinable) terms and which frequencies one is looking at, and what kind of music. However, I would think that the vast majority of people would agree that the midrange of the Kharmas is more organic, no matter how one defines it – the midrange is kind of what Kharmas are all about..
Did you remove my post?
Yes, Armen. And I will continue to do so unless you care to contribute to the discussion.
Ad hominem – Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster …
…appealing to feelings or prejudices rather than intellect. 2. : marked by or being an attack on an opponent’s character rather than by an answer to the …
Urban Dictionary: troll
One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message …
Best of luck,
-Mike
I planned to delay a response to Mike’s on-the-mark review of my system until sampling the drift of any comments, but Armen’s comment on Krell/Wilson deserve a prompt commentary. I first heard Krell Evolution on the MAXX 2 – it was the dealer’s reference at the time – and the sound was shrill at the top and both congested and cold in the middle. It turned me off. I did not want the Krell or the Wilson products. The dealer mentioned that many customers reacted that way to the Krell and steered me into demo set of Levinson No32 and 33H’s (due to my budget and my desire to avoid the shrill highs and cold analytical mid-section).
In time I discovered that I had traded one kind of “artificial” sound for another…a more-pleasing-to-my-ear sort of mid-level congestion than shrill congestion most evident with grouped strings and with a deep boomy bass, granted not as quick as the Krell, and a strong middle despite a lack of detail, and pleasant highs but again lacking as I sadly came to discover after a few months of in-home listening, detail and naturalness.
Only after subsequently trading in my MAXX 2s for Alex, and then upgrading to Alex 2 did I discover the full range and detailed capability of the Alex-2, and the weakness in my accompanying components, at which point I realized the lingering problems with congestion, boominess, lack of detail were primarily due to the combo of Transparent Audio mid-priced cables and the Levinson gear, i.e., amplification and cables.
Seeking improvements I then spent considerable time auditioning Krell, Boulder, VTL, and Acoustics Research. Among these the Krell produced the most piercing high frequencies be they upper register organ pipes, or flutes, piccolos, or violins on high notes. But that shrillness covered virtually all orchestral sections from mid to upper.
The difference between all of these (I think the VTL had the best balance among them) and the Ongaku are night and day and shunning the looseness of the terms organic vs artificial, I would simply say, using frequent comparisons with live concerts as my reference (ok, Mike, as I recalled them to sound like as my reference – see ABSOLUTE SOUND thread)..Beethoven’s violin concerto, choral fantasy and piano concertos as references, the X-2 sounds extremely NATURAL and the most natural among the components I’ve heard it with was the Ongaku, and the least natural was with the Krells. (And the Lamm ML3’s at CES were better than all the aforementioned except the Ongaku).
And I might suggest that Armen and others pay close attention to harmonics and microdynamics and the sounds of live orchestral instruments to tune their ears to how natural and soulful acoustic music can sound, how clear and detailed it can sound, and yet never be shrill to the ears. When matched with the right amplification, the Wilson’s do not need cables to “soften’ the sound and can then be free to communicate beautifully and naturally all the sound in the source.
Hi Jim,
Thanks for posting your extensive experiences with the Alexandria I, II and MAXX 2.
“Wilson’s do not need cables to “soften’ the sound”
I think this is a really important point and one of the primary ways that, almost universally, Wilson-based systems are flawed. They typically use inferior cables that round off the treble and emphasize [and dull] the bass [along with untold other ancillary misbehavior].
Similarly, these systems drive the speakers with amps that have severe issues with either the treble [too much or too little], or micro-dynamics [i.e. none] or bass [i.e. way, way too much].
Whereas many speakers that a typical dealer sells have a ‘nice’ or ‘house’ sound no matter what one drives them with, Wilsons are much more similar to high-performance speakers – much of the sound you get has to do with the upstream components and cables. This doesn’t necessarily mean one has to drive them with high-COST amps and cables to get a musical enjoyable sound – just that one has to drive them with high-QUALITY amps and cables [of course, the higher-quality and expensive the gear – the a higher quality the result – which is also dissimilar to the average dealer’s other line of speakers, with which higher quality gear often makes little or no difference in the sound].
In the past, on this blog, I’ve compared the Wilson speakers to, say, Ferrari racing cars – the analogy trying to drive home the point that one needs to spend a little more time with them to get them to perform – they are not just your average Volkswagen speaker. But in a sense the analogy is quite wrong – the speakers are not all that finicky and perform well in a number of different room setups and ancillary equipment scenarios [although, like all good speakers, to get OPTIMAL results does take some care and effort] – it is just that the current [politically and marketing-driven] components they are usually paired with are so woefully inappropriate.
Hmmmm…. better stop there. 🙂
Take care,
-Mike
Dear Jim,
Probably you couldn’t read my full post, anyhow I didn’t write anything praising Krell though I believe EVO1&2 is different animal from rest of Krell range as Alexandria is(a different and far superior to the rest of Wilson range). I must say I myself listened to Ongaku and Alexandria 1 for relatively short time, the only problem was driving the bass of those monsters.
Armen