Audio Note Jinro 211-based tube integrated amplifier

I’ve wanted to put the Jinro through its paces for a loooong time, ever since the Jinro integrated amplifier came to this country at last year’s CES, where I was impressed with its sound and its low cost. Like the bigger Ongaku, combining a very high quality stereo amplifier with a very high quality preamp in one chassis saves on power cords, interconnects, and amps stands/rack space. This allows one to achieve price-performance ratios unheard of in here in our Extreme High-end part of the audiophile hobby. Essentially, it allows you to get close to the Extreme high end at ‘slumming it’ prices.


We performed a shootout between the $20K Audio Note U.K. Jinro, in black, and the $95K Audio Note U.K. Ongaku, in copper. As you can see, they are very similar externally, and are using the same brand of 211 tubes. Internally the Jinro is wired with copper and uses copper-wound transformers as opposed all silver inside the Ongaku. They both weigh about 60 pounds or so and put out about 25 watts. Kevin O., Neli and I were in attendance.

The system was the Marten Coltrane Supreme speakers, Emm Labs digital, Nordost Odin interconnects and power cords, Jorma Design Prime speaker cable and HRS platforms. We will also do another, similar shootout on the All Audio Note system downstairs with Steve G., Neli and I doing the finger pointing at that time.


We played the Jinro first using our 3 test cuts: Gloria Esteban, Elton John and a short but complex Mozart piece.

It was great: good details, lots of good separation, dynamic, good color. The Elton was not quite as magical as we remembered it, but maybe we had exaggerated the magicality in our minds over the last few weeks. Certainly did not hear anything that didn’t sound great.


We then played the 3 cuts on the Ongaku. Kevin kept bringing up Mike Tyson, so I will put it like he did: It was like me, Mike Davis, and Mike Tyson going into the boxing ring. It wouldn’t take anybody very long to figure out who was the winner [me being the first, in that scenario :-)].

The Ongaku has a LOT more stuff happening between the notes, which allowed it to have a lot more resolution and the harmonics to be much more vivid. We went through the motions and played all 3 cuts – the Elton piece was as amazing and drug-like as we had remembered it being [more so in fact – hearing a song be ‘great’, and then soon after be ‘OMFG great’ has its own special kind of drug-like effect. More later on this].

As a shootout this was somewhat worthless – but we did learn a few valuable things nonetheless.


The $20K Jinro did a great job on this 1/2 million dollar system. Without hearing the Ongaku, many people would never know what they would be missing and would be very happy campers.


Is the Jinro as magical and drug-like as the Ongaku? No. But that is not saying much, as only very, very few other amps are.

But the system around a Jinro can be designed so that the Jinro doesn’t have to do ALL the heavy lifting [our test system is pure straight-line high resolution components and cables counting on the Ongaku do all the drug-like magic]. For such a Jinro-centric drug-like system, the Jinro will be able to supply very high-quality dynamics, separation, phenomenal note control, and harmonic purity…. and quite a lot of resolution (esp. compared to most amps).


Our next step here will be to put the Jinro on a system with a Audio Note digital front end, on Audio Note speakers, and see – I mean hear – how it compares once again to the Ongaku [we really do like the Jinro, a lot(!), even though we are putting it up against impossible odds against the Ongaku in these shootouts]. This shootout will then tell us how they compare on a very musical front end.

After that we will proceed to try and build, hopefully several, reasonably-priced drug-like Jinro-centric systems from the components we have lying around here.

Audio Federation Rm 557 pt. 2

Marten, Audio Note, Emm Labs at RMAF

Marten Coltrane speakers, Audio Note Ongaku integrated amp, EMM Labs XDS1 CD  / SACD player, Jorma Prime speaker cables [and sometimes integrconnect) and Nordost Odin interconnect and power cords, Elrod power cord, HRS amp stands.

SOUND

The sound was very high resolution, very clean, very harmonically rich and very pure.

OK.

Done with the ‘very’ies. But keep them in mind because they do describe and define the core of this system’s sound.

The sound was filling the room and we had good room pressurization going on. The bass was present and fairly well-dampened and we did not have significant problems with room nodes. The sound was quite musical, if not quite riveting [by Wednesday it would have been riveting :-)]. Frequency response and dynamics were even-handed top to bottom [a little less authority on the bottom, this is a relatively small speaker], a natural amount of micro-dynamics, a natural amount of separation [notes perfectly separated but still part of the whole]….

This system handled complex music just about as well as it handled simple notes – there was no sense of added confusion as the music transitioned from simple harmonies into complex harmonies [complex passages in better recordings do resolve better, however].

Similarly, the high resolution and harmonic detail – and our willingness to play opera attacted a number of people with their opera CDs. The voices, instead of sounding shrill as they often do when there is not enough resolution or harmonic color – were wonderfully involving and hypnotizing.

I talked about playing rock and roll in the last post, and I could now talk about how each component [and we always include cables and cords in these discussion as if they were components] handles its responsibilties in the musical chain – but because each component did its job so very well, I think it might be hard for everybody to believe that each component is really as important as every other component. So we will move on to the next post [Uh, I am writing this section last, sorry] where it will become obvious what happens when a piece or two does NOT do its job.

ISSUES

I promised to talk about the 3 1/2 days of breakin of the Marten ‘Coltrane’ speakers.

The LACK of being broken in had several clearly audible signatures:

1. Brightness and sibilance in the treble (the occurrence of this was reduced to about half, say, by the 3rd day)

2. A stiff, unrelaxed sound, all-too-quick decays, ‘cold’ kind of sound (this was much improved by the 3rd day – but this is an asymptotic kind of break in, taking months to get to 95% and always getting better and better the more it is played)

3. A rare ‘tizz’ in the low treble that sounds like a metal bee got caught in the speaker (this was gone by the 3rd day. Whew!)

4. Exaggerated percussive transients that makes things like symbols and drum whacks etc. more prominent than normal (here this is caused by #2, above [which happens for all speakers] but #4 is somewhat more prominent on ceramic driver speakers. Again, the longer the speaker is played, the more natural this becomes) [this aberration is very prominent on several horn speakers (not Acapella BTW) and never seems to go away (or maybe, of the dozens of different versions of these speakers – I have never heard a broken-in pair)]

What did we do? What we did (besides fret and worry) was to

1) play an ocean waves disc at night, and the louder we played it at night the more it seemed to have improved by morning.

2) play Whos Next quite loud. Later Aerosmith Toys in the Attic. These [I think both were the SACDS versions] have lots of detail – revelatory for me, like the 1st time hearing the SACD version of the Moody Blues albums. Lots of energy in the treble – helped the speakers get to the next plateau

3) Tried to keep the volume down to a reasonable level. This was almost impossible [we tried to do the Lamm room thing, keeping things mellow, but I guess our hearts just weren’t in it]. We invite everybody to play their own CDs, and most want to hear them at a specific volume: loud. We rarely went past 4 [which was quite loud], out of 10, on the Ongaku – this system CAN go LOUD.

Mike Latvis did convince innocent ole me 🙂 to turn the volume up to 5.5 on Bela Fleck (track 4 on the CD) and the bass on that track was pretty darn impressive [not sure how else to describe it] at that volume. Let’s just say that the Ongaku drove those [89dB] speakers to very high SPL, controlling each note perfectly from birth to death, without straining.

4) We pointed the speakers down at the seated listeners. It was determined early on that this helped reduce the negative effects of un-broken in tweeters. Usually this hardly matters and we point the speakers midway between a standing person’s ears and a seated person’s ears [more or less]

5) Worry and fret.

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Like I said in the previous post, we were happy with the result. However, this happiness is somewhat the result of coming to a realization about how stupid and foolish we were to expect miracles from a more-or-less brand new speaker – and being relieved that we were able to navigate the treacherous waters of un-broken-in-hood lane and come out the other side alive.

SETUP:

After much advice and after many different positions we finally placed the speakers about 2.5 feet from the front walls and facing almost perfectly straight ahead.

The 2.5 feet was Neli’s idea. I thought that they should go closer to the front wall, Martens like that, but the draperies were absorbing way too much energy and generating a dull confused presentation. We pulled them out another 1/2 inch on Saturday morning – the breaking in was loosening up the speakers and causing it to interact negatively again with the drapes [maybe. But it did sound better after that 1/2 inch move].

The straight ahead idea was mine, sort of. Somebody pointed out that the soundstage was still kind of narrow, and I remembered how we used to set these speakers up straight ahead sometimes. The final test was to sit in the chairs left and right of center, in the front row, which were almost directly in front of one of the speakers, and see if there was a soundstage – see if whether the speaker right in front of us would disappear or not. It did.

We put the paper posters on both sides of the room at the 1st reflection point (for most seats) and that added about 5% more clarity to the separation etc.

The 13x19feet room is much easier to setup than the big 19×30? [I think the audiofest website is wrong] rooms. Optimally I would like a 16 x 25 room, I think, for shows. Easy to setup and fill with music but with a lot of seating.

CES 2010: Another Show, Another Workout for Mike & Neli

We were originally scheduled to drive out to Las Vegas tomorrow, Monday [it is about a 12 hour drive], setup on Tuesday, and fix any problems and let things warm up on Wednesday.

But the shipment from Audio Note did not clear customs until late New Years Eve. So Monday we spend at the shippers, forwarding things on to Las Vegas and several dealers. Now Tuesday we drive. Wednesday we rent a truck and go pick up things at the shipper and get them up to the two rooms. We figure that by 6pm, we will start unpacking and setting up the system.


Audio Note Gaku-Ons at night

For some reason, I think a lot of people are like this – and wait to the last minute for everything [ALTHOUGH 90% of the exhibitors get it together early enough to have time to ship their stuff so that it automagically appears in their exhibit rooms without them having to lift a finger]

The thing is, we are not like this.

One of the [many] reasons our rooms at shows sound so good is that we allow ourselves time to let things warm up, to tweak things this way and that, to actually listen to the system to see if and where it needs a little love.

We’ll do our best, of course, but this sure ain’t helping my gray hair problem any! 🙂


Audio Note Gaku-Ons at night