Just a few notes

(textually speaking).

* For those that visit us here at our showrooms, let it be known that our work to replicate the grand canyon at the bottom of our driveway has been unsuccessfull (although I thought we were going to make it there for awhile, we got close! 🙂 ) and is now perfectly smooth (my S8 – no, not the AN S8 step-up transformer, the old Audi S8 – is very happy with me now).

* Although we are no longer calling the main category of the blog: The Boulder Befry, we want to assure everybody, one and all, that this is still the Blog:

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That is all.

The Remarkably Similar Sonics of Most High-End Turntables

[This was originally written early this year (with some minor editing in the last few minutes to make less incorrect my English) but was not posted at that time after seeing the Postive Feedback review of the Walker that appeared simultaneously with the writing of this post – making it seem too weird, if not plain redundant, to have yet another piece on this turntable. But since we are discussing these very same reviews and turntable below – maybe it is time to finally get this out of my drafts folder (I have been seeing it for the last 10 months or so, every single time I post anything on this blog… :-))].

There was a lot of chattering and hoopla’ing about the $90K Continuum turntable that was shown at CES 2006.

Then there was more skuttlebutt when Mike Fremer decided to buy one for himself.

Steve Hoffman’s Forum

Romy’s Forum

And now a rumor that Mike Lavigne wants to sell his $70K Sirius III and get one too?

Well, far be it from us to be against people spending lots of money on audio equipment… 🙂 but this is all so strange as we were really underwhelmed by the sound of the Continuum at CES 2006, and I was also underwhelmed by it at HE 2005 (though Neli liked the system there well enough). [P.S. We also later gave the Peak Consult / Berning / Continuum room at HE 2006 best of show, and, though we were still underwhelmed by the table, they had setup a very nice system there]

After CES we both kept saying to each other “what is going on? The Continuum seemed no better than our $20K Brinkmann!”.

At first I thought that I just did not have the experience to pick out the sound of these turntables in a system – even though I can pick out the sound of a digital player fairly well. I mean – $90K – it has to be great, right? But then I remembered what the Walker sounds like in unfamiliar systems. I have always been able to hear what IT is doing.

Then we thought about an even more outlandish idea: that most of the turntables in the $20K+++ range sound a LOT alike.

Then I read on Romy’s site that he is thinknig along the same lines:

The Foolishness of Analog People

What does ‘a lot alike’ mean?

It means that the difference in sound between a component and another is less than or equal to the difference caused by adding or removing a tweak in the system.

But some components out there are different, they do not sound like others and stick out as being something special. For example: Let’s talk about CD Players.

[Let’s not. But you might imagine this could get us all into a lot of trouble – even though the three brands of players we have here all do something special – many out there do not]

It is like Romance novels or Science Fiction movies – one person has a good idea and then a 1000 people copy it.

One might argue that sounding generic is a good thing. And this argument might be interesting.

We chose to carry the Brinkmann turntable because of the exceptional build quality, ease of use, attactive and streamlined appearance, and excellent support network. And, of course, how it sounds.

And as far as value goes – its sonic quality, at $20K, is in the same class, based on all the systems we have heard so far, as the Continuum, $80K Blue Pearl, $75K Vyger, and also the Sirius III if MikeL really thinks the Continuum is better. In fact, I think a really tweaked out VPI TNT is in this sonic class. Sorry.

OK, I can here you thinking out there. Mike Fremer had the Brinkmann, and now has the Continuum, and he says that the 5 times more expensive turntable really sounds better. Well, I am one of the few people who thinks Mike does indeed have ears. But. But his room is broken and his system is broken. What sounds optimal in his environment may not, in general, be optimal outside his environment. Also, as a reviewer, he has other motivations. Nothing sinister or anything – but he is a professional and needs to think about his readers and his career.

If you really want to know the truth, the only turntable we have heard that generates an immediate response of ‘Now THAT is Analog’, no matter what system it is in, is the Walker Procenium Gold turntable.

Now, I hesitate to say that. Lord knows Lloyd Walker does not need more encouragement :-). And we shivver to think we are adding to the overwhelming wealth of disturbingly unbalanced copy on the Walker line on both the Positive Feedback and 6moons sites.

And, like everything else, the Walker does have its issues.

But we have to say it, if you really want something that actually sounds better than anything else out there, that can’t just be achieved by a new cartridge or vibration control device or a better interconnect….then get a Walker.

It is not that there is anything wrong with the megabuck tables that I can see. Someday we may even carry the Blue Pearl or Continuum. They are quite beautiful and impressive.

Let’s put it like this: There is a lot, Lot, LOT more difference between most $20K speakers and most $90K speakers than most $20K turntables and most $90K turntables.

Unless it is the Walker.

Yeah, that is what we wanted to say. Maybe I should just delete the rest?

The Reviewer's Preferences

[Neli wants me to verify that everyone understands these descriptions are, necessarily, characerchers, very short descriptions of what are real people – real people who cannot be described by one sentence, or a million. OK. Now I can tell Neli that everyone understands this, ….right? 🙂 ]

Each reviewer has preferences.

Because they have limited funds they only have limited access to a wide variety of equipment which arrives serially – i.e. they may have had both Lamm amplifiers and Wilson speakers in their listening room – but probably not at the same time. And it would be difficult for them to consciously schedule to have them both at the same time in order to hear them at the same time. So they kind of just hear a lot of components in a hodge-podge random order. One or two at a time. In their existing system, whatever that may be.

So what this means is that although reviewers have access over time to a lot of equipment – their system building is often a long and somewhat random winding road, and they typically do not have a lot of experience with consciously building a system that suits their taste, living with it for awhile, then making a better system, living with THAT for awhile, etc..

[This is unlike the dew dealers who collect best of breed equipment and can freely mix and match to create their Wonder Systems – and unlike many audiophiles who also try lots of various pieces of equipment, although most audiophiles still focus on ONE PIECE of equipment that will finally DO IT – instead of a SYSTEM that will do it – probably because they read too many reviews… which rarely focus on the fact that it TAKE A SYSTEM to sound good].

They also, almost across the board, stay in whatever house they have lived in since they were a child (kidding) and whatever compromised listening room they found pre-existing in that house.

Mike Fremer – Stereophile

MF has reputedly a very small room with severe bass resonance issues. He prefers a very detailed and very neutral sound with tight, detailed bass. His system consists of permanent residences the Musical Fidelity electronics and Wilson Maxx II speakers.
This is all one needs to know in order to predict what Mike will like or not like. He gravitates between preferring of-a-kind equipment (like SME turntables, Rockport speakers) and equipment way over on the other side that balances his system (like Zanden digital and Sonus Faber speakers). He probably will only BUY of-a-kind equipment: neutral to cold, very detailed sounding gear.

Srajan Ebean – 6moons

Srajan just moved – and I believe he has his pick of several rooms to put music in. So his rooms do not suck. He prefers equipment that is reasonably priced, first and foremost, which is fairly dynamic, and eschews sophistication – prefers real but puts up with an ‘affected’ sound – a sound that entertains him. Enjoyable.

His system at one time consisted of Avantgarde Duo horns and, to balance these very forward, harmonic-free speakers and laid back, somewhat dull sounding front end. Equipment he reviewed went into this system with very predictable outcomes [Speakers had to be quite dynamic and not too revealing of the flaws upstream. Components had to be warm and not too detailed or neutral or the speakers would show off their inherent coolness and over-aggressiveness].

He now has the more or less reasonably priced Zu Audio speakers, last I checked – which are a heart pure Enjoyment with some good dynamic capability. These speakers do not like a sophisticated front end (shows off their flaws) and their owner will probably prefer a tube amp or a laid back solid-state amplification.

Srajan will prefer equipment with good value that is enjoyable, and has decent dynamic capabilities, or is interesting intellectually. He will pan equipment that is seemingly too expensive, or detailed, Sophisticated, or boring (from a reviewer’s point of view).
HP – Absolute Sound

HP has quite small rooms at Sea Cliff – ones that he has learned to make the most of.

HP likes a BIG SOUND. His systems are somewhat of a balancing act, much like Srajan. Big, open sounding, dynamic, not very sophisticated speakers (ALON/NOLA, Pipedreams, Wisdom way back when) are paired with amps that are excellent (ASL, Edge), but do not intrude on the overall character of the speaker, with cables that are neutral and not used as tuning devices (Nordost Valhalla), and a very high-quality source (the old Burmester $60K transport and DAC pair, Emmlabs CDSD and DCC2, and the best turntables when he can get them – ignore the Clearaudio, it is just a stand-in).

HP more than any reviewer, consciously builds a system around speakers he likes. Just like we do, and maybe one or two other dealers, and a lot of the audiophiles who consciously build their systems to achieve the sound they want. [Even if you do not have, cannot afford, the speakers you want today – you can think ahead and improve your current system, today, with less expensive equipment – like powercords, vibration control, cables – with a eye on how it will work with your system tomorrow, when you CAN put the speakers you want into your system].

JV – Absolute Sound

JV’s room is kind of unbalanced, last picture I saw, with a door in the front wall. Not aware of any other particular problems.

As mentioned last post – for many years JV’s system sucked, like most reviewer’s systems, but then he got a Walker and then, after the ridiculous underpowered Tenor amp / Rockport speaker love affair, heard the Tenor OTL on the Kharma 3.2 speaker. This is one of those GREAT systems. Finally, a reviewer with a real state-of-the-art system – and one that will fit in ordinary sized rooms to boot.

JV prefers – interesting sounds. Of all reviewers, I think he gets bored the easiest. This is why I think he kind of careens from one relatively good sounding piece of equipment to another, perhaps not as good sounding piece of equipment – because the new piece sounds interesting and DIFFERENT and is entertaining.

So, JV will like things that do not suck and that are interesting sonically. Otherwise he is hard to predict.

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All of these reviewers must publish in order to put food on the table. They will in general say good things about something in order to not ruffle feathers.

None of these reviewers pays any attention to vibration control, except perhaps JV who has a Walker Audio rack and Srajan who has a Grand Prix Monaco rack.

I think only MF pays attention to powercords. HP just experienced his first diamond tweeter a few months ago.

Most reviewers, and these are no exception, are quite a bit behind the experience curve of most network-savvy audiophiles who have some extra cash to burn.

But I like these guys and we will follow closely and comment on what they have to say.