October, 2008

RMAF 2008: Manufacturers and Dealers/Distributers

Saturday, October 18th, 2008 by Mike

If any of you want to add a comment to your room in the show report, either in response to my commentary, or just whatever - please send an email to mike@audiofederation.com with ‘Show Report Comment’ or something as the subject, your comment and your room number.

Feel free to include a link to your website in your comments.

And we reserve the right not to publish comments that do not make sense. This isn’t a news network. :-)

Thanks,
Mike.

RMAF Show Report

Friday, October 17th, 2008 by Mike

As many of you more adventurous types know, the show report for floors 10, 11, 9, Mezzanine, and the Main Floor are done, in high resolution:

RMAF Show Report 2008

About one half done. Whew!

Enjoy!

Well… back from Rocky Mountain Audio Fest

Monday, October 13th, 2008 by Mike

…and boy are we tired of lifting heavy equipment.

We are so bummed that we didn’t get to do any daily reports from the show because the hotel inadvertently disconnected our room. And we did not find this out until late late late the first night - then by the time we were ready to upload photos the 2nd night it was again late…. and well, it is only a 3 day show…

But there are 1500+ photos and the show report will be forthcoming.

Everybody loved the Lamm ML3 amps on the big Martens in our room - and in fact they liked the sound a lot better than our sound last year [last years system was kind of tweaky - a setup with an integrated on the active crossover on the Supremes required careful tweaking of the bass and sometimes the phase for each song - but it really sang when it was tweaked correctly].

Attendance was - my guess, within 5 - 10% of last year. Considering the fear mongering on Wall Street and the cold snap on the last 2 days, that is pretty good. What people were looking at this year seemed quite a bit different than last year. Hard to pin it down, but perhaps there was more focus by visitors on favorites and less exploration of all the unfamiliar rooms?

OK. Time to answer Remy’s post.

Next Post, live from Rocky Mountain AudioFest 2008

Wednesday, October 8th, 2008 by Mike

If all goes as planned, anyway.

The 10 rental foot truck is packed to the ceiling. Somebody is nuts. Therapy is required [my arms and legs tell me, and Neli’s knees tell her]. If at least we didn’t have 45 steps down from the front door to the truck - we could at least pretend to be sane.

Where are all the other Rocky Mountain Audio Fest show reports?

Wednesday, October 8th, 2008 by Mike

Inquiring minds want to link to them!

Only Enjoy The Music seems to have a page setup for the show.

Stereophile usually has a page ready before the show - but I couldn’t find it.

Everyone else seems to wait until they have a report ready, from AudioJunkies to Dagogo, from UltraAudio to AudioXSell.

Well, we are linking now to EnjoyTheMusic.com and the heck with the rest of the slackers until after the show :-)

2008 Rocky Mountain Audio Fest - All Packed Up

Wednesday, October 8th, 2008 by Mike

Packed up. Muscles sore. House empty. Wondering just why we take so much stuff.

Actually, we are thinking about doing a much lighter system next year. Not sure if it will be less expensive. But lighter. :-)

Whew!

Clarification

Wednesday, October 8th, 2008 by Mike

OK. I am sure many of you are wondering why I like Romy with his ad-hominems and invective and posting of wildly gross misconceptions about our products and motivations.

I thought I needed to clarify with everyone, just in case they are the wondering type, that we do NOT agree with Romy’s opinion on some things, namely that everything out there sounds bad. In particular, we think that a few things actually sound pretty darn good and we really enjoy listening to music on them. These are the things we talk about on the blog and demo to people visiting our home and at show exhibits.

Romy is one of the best writers we have in audio, and one of the most perceptive - but unfortunately it does take some amount of effort to read through the emotion-laden confrontational approach.

I see a lot of myself in Romy. He sets up a Platonic Ideal of how audio *should* sound, how *all* manufacturers and dealers and audiophiles should behave - and that is that we should all be focused on just one goal - achieving that Platonic Ideal of *perfect* audio reproduction.

How is this like me (and Neli, too, in fact)? This is how we approach our other profession: computer software. No, we don’t make asses of ourselves, and we probably only think slightly less of Microsoft and Adobe and Apple’s fleet of lawyers and Rational and the average IT manager, etc. than, say, the average Linux geek.

But I would argue that Software is much more ephemeral than audio - and that the Platonic Ideal of perfect software is indeed asymptotically approachable through a little discipline and a little sympathy for all the users out there (and it would make fiscal sense). But even here - it is important to stay grounded - computers are only so fast, people only can only come up with new models of how to organize information just so quickly, the state-of-the-art has only come so far. It still will be awhile before we have Star Trek-like computers we can ask general questions of.

Romy’s problem is that he creates all these cities in his head, and then compares real live available speakers and components to this ideal. It is not even clear that this ideal would be an ideal any of the rest of us would even like - and he has not communicated very much about this ideal, which is a shame because this is where he might be able to contribute something of real significance to Audiophiledom.

At Audio Federation we seek for ourselves, and help other people find, the best available REAL WORLD solutions using the best audio reproduction equipment available today.

So, and this is my point, Romy antagonistic approach has put him more and more out of touch with real audio in the real world - and people have to be careful when they read his stuff about specific pieces of equipment [but his more abstract stuff is great]. Not recognizing differences between Marten and Kharma, about which every visitor can tell you about who has been here - not understanding the advantages and disadvantages of different approaches to vibration control - making general statements about Emm Labs [have to wonder that perhaps personal enmity is getting in the way of being able to hear what they do?] and the Supremes and on and on… leads me to think that, Platonic Ideal is fine and all that - but there needs to be some grounding in reality, in the Real World, and it just doesn’t make good sense to compare things to the Best CD Player Imaginable, or the Most Faithful Speakers Imaginable.

We are perfectly aware that the products we carry, like all products out there, have various faults. It is our well-reasoned judgment that our products have fewer faults, often much fewer, than other products out there - and further that any faults are manageable through working with the setup and the rest of the system. And it is this information about how to manage the issues like this, working with optimizing system performance, that keeps us busy with all this equipment we always seem to have have hanging around.

It is this balance, between everything sucks [except what I own, sell, imagine] and nothing sucks [that we review, see, hear about] that makes us kind of the odd man [and woman] out.

But it is this grounding in reality which gives us our real advantage. We get to live with the state-of-the-art, day in day out. We go to shows and I, anyway, get to hear every room. We talk to people and, Neli anyway, spend hours with each caller, several callers per day, hearing lots of people opinions about what kind of system they want and working with them to get them what they can afford. We focus on learning about and hearing the differences that make things sound good, stuff that is available, stuff that people can touch and have for themselves and enjoy the heck out of.

Yeah, we have our own Platonic Ideal about how things should really sound. Who doesn’t? But most of us just don’t get so angry that we start attacking people just because they are not as upset as we are that Audio reproduction is not perfect yet - nor manufacturers just because they are not getting there fast enough (or at those that do not care about getting there at all. OK. These guys do irk us) - nor at the capitalistic ambitions of honest dealers and manufacturers (very little ambitions in this smallish hobby of ours) because it sometimes hinders progress [though I would say lack of progress has more to do with human nature and people tending to be cautious and lack confidence and imagination)].

So, enough is enough. The nuggets are becoming too hard to find, mired in the anger, and the GoodSoundClub goes back on our ‘just another forum of angry people who get their rocks off attacking other people’ list, just like most of the other major forums out there.

Romy’s post on my comments on the ML3

Monday, October 6th, 2008 by Mike

I tried to login and post my comments there, but the site seems to have forgotten me [or I forgot my login], so I’ll just post my comments here.

The latest post in the ML3 thread at the GoodSoundClub talks about my Initial Impressions of the Lamm ML3.

I am happy that Romy found it informative [thanks Romy], but…. I have a few corrections to make :-)

First, the Ongaku, the Audio Note …. U.K.(!) … Ongaku, that we have here is not micro-details challenged [to say the least]. The Kondo Ongaku may indeed be challenged in this way - certainly sounds that way at shows… but then again, they put the darn things on nightstands and other suspiciously inadequate platforms that are probably sucking all the micro-details out of whatever there was there to begin with.

If any of you weren’t happy with digital four of five years ago - and gave up on it - give it another try. Digital music reproduction has evolved significantly in the last few years, along with the rest of the digital landscape.

And, just another pet peeve :-) , the sound of the Martens are in fact almost diametrically opposite to the sound of Kharmas. Both have their fans, and you can like both, like we do, or not. But they are really not at all more alike than any other two random ultra-high quality box speakers. One is very even handed trying to be as accurate as possible, one is very exuberant trying to be as engaging as possible [the way I think about them, anyway].

And regardless of all this - our reportage was about the sound of the ML3s in comparison to what we have heard here before - namely the ML2.1 and the higher level Audio Note. If we say there was significant micro-dynamic/harmonic capabilities [I hesitate to say micro-details because by detail most people mean - if they think about it - a well-delineated (best case) or, sometimes even sharper-than-natural leading edge to notes, usually at the macro level, sometimes at the midi-level - and this is not that. This is *extreme control* of the note envelope so that it is formed in a much more natural way than the saw-tooth-curve approach of lesser amps], then there was significant micro-dynamic/harmonic capabilities with respect to these other amps that we are familiar with [which themselves are the best we have heard in this regard, especially on average-efficiency speakers] - as heard on a very, very high resolution system, whether someone thinks they will like the system or not.

And, as far as “Mike always overly-exuberant about the things he sells”, well, I try to be clear about why I recommend various things, whether we sell them or not, that I think people would love to hear for themselves. But me? Overly exuberant? If you knew me, you’d realize how much of a stretch this would be. :-) But seriously, most people want me to be MORE exuberant on the blog - but less so than the typical reviewer - so that is the balance I struggle for.

Anyway, Romy, you are welcome to visit here anytime, or our room at RMAF. Then, at least you would know *exactly* how bad everything sounds ;-)

Demo Music at RMAF 2008

Sunday, October 5th, 2008 by Mike

While checking out what other websites are talking about the Rocky Mountain Audio Fest I came across this thread at Steve Hoffman’s forum:

http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/showthread.php?t=153011

Which talks about what kind of music a new exhibitor should bring to a show with them.

I don’t know who any of these people are, I am not registered there and the site does not let you see people profiles unless you are registered :D .

Well, besides disagreeing vociferously with the suggestion that exhibitors should not play show-goer’s CDs because they will invariably sound bad [a true signature of a bad sounding system all around, eh? If the system can’t play the music that an audiophile loves, then what use is that system for that audiophile? An accent for the livingroom decor?] - our suggestion would be to bring music that you love.

If the exhibitor brings music they love, or just music they want to play to see what it is like, then at least one person [i.e. the exhibitor] in the room will be enjoying the music. Sure, show some eclecticism - don’t just bring country, but bring some of your runners up like western and rock-a-billy and country-rock and bluegrass, etc.

This has the side effects of at least putting the exhibitor in a good mood and of attracting ‘like minds’ who love the same music. There is also a level of honesty implicit in this kind of approach - which we happen to think is a good thing.

Yeah, we get blasted for this approach [as being ‘unprofessional’] from some other dealers and reviewers - who, in another industry, would not let people test drive their prospective new car, or maybe just for 2 or 3 minutes [yes, there are still car dealers out here like that - ones that we visit just ONCE] nor review a car without Corinthian leather bucket seats [OK, my metaphor sucks - but moving on…].

This year I feel that we want to bring mostly things we have gotten recently: a CD by the Dave Holland Quintet - Extended Play [yeah, yeah, plenty good audiophile quality - but the songs are long - a no no at shows :-) and it is complex enough that it’s depths are hard to plumb in just a few listenings… like Radiohead … except it is Jazz ;-) . Oh, and way less complex than Sun Ra or even Ornette Coleman - or is that Ornette Coleman and even Sun Ra?].

Anything else? I don’t know … usually we just do a mad rush through here and pick things we like and want to hear. The only problem is that Neli and I usually disagree significantly on the selection. So - we just end up with a his and hers side on the CD and LP collection at the show.